Obviuosly if you have any symptoms of covid-19 you should quarantine yourself and if you are older with health conditions you should as well. But now I`m seeing numbers of 20-54 yr olds that show 48% of that ag group needing hospitalization. I am 60 and my wife has been dealing with asthma from some kind of allergy that the Dr`s can`t figure out and I`m getting nervous. To add to that my co-worker went on vacation last week to NYC and is returning on Monday -we share the same work space and desk (him day shift, me night). Obviuosly my wife is calling her Dr for expert advice and we may not go back to work starting Monday (when my co-worker is due back)but just wondering what others are doing, not sure what to believe and if they even know enough about it yet?
If you don't have symptoms you should be quarantining yourself at this point.
The "wait until you have symptoms" is and was ineffective.
My wife is a home health nurse. On the front lines of this. We have people here in rural Iowa who are coming back from their southern vacations. They are being asked to self quarantine before going back to work or being out in public. Your coworker should do the same. If you have questions contact the CDC website or your state department of public health website. They are excellent resources to get accurate and current information.
I'm 63 and my wife is 58. We don't work and have been staying home but I'm starting to go stir crazy already.
Quote from: RUNCHARGER on March 20, 2020, 10:29:40 AM
I'm 63 and my wife is 58. We don't work and have been staying home but I'm starting to go stir crazy already.
Like I've always said... At least it's not far to go...
All hunkered down in South Florida. I went out a couple of weeks ago when this first began and bought a crap load of stuff. I have a handicapped daughter who is highly susceptible to infection so I'm not going to take any chances. Good luck all.
When in doubt ......
My wife's company closed till April. With pay no less! Business at the shop has been good till yesterday. Very quiet today. I will say I'm afraid to even roll thru a restaurant drive thru right now. I can see the trend already. Business's closing, layoff's coming. I'm talking non-food/bar/hospitality industries here. its everyone else, I just heard this morning the local shredder will be closed next week. Scrap prices have been cut by at least a third. Street traffic has slowed to a trickle. I'm getting here in the morning in less than half the usual time. Next week will be fun...... NOT
Definitely stay home. Asthma appears to be one of the common threads for those that are at highest risk, regardless of age.
Confusion is rampant. They media hasn't been dropping the ball on a lot of important information other than social distancing and hand washing. A lot of info is unknown since we focusing on stoping the virus vs studying it.
I'm in California and we have been dealing with quarantine in one way or another for a while. There are lots of exceptions but the idea is to stay away from people. I don't like the way they are going about it, but if you want to be safe you should be limiting contact with others. Obviously you need to go to the store and other things, but depending on your situation, you should probably avoid other stuff.
FYI quarantine here doesn't. mean you're stuck in your house. You can go for walks and other things. They just don't want extaneous gatherings that can spread the virus.
I think the important thing is to not be in contact with others. That doesn't mean you have to be locked up in your house. I went to town this morning to get an oil filter for the Challenger. The door was locked with a sign on it. I called in the order and gave the guy my credit card number. He got my stuff while I waited in the truck and set it outside the the door. Might not be practical in the long term but he did business and I got my stuff. It worked for now.
I am in the professional services industry (large global accounting firm). Our offices in Canada have been shut down all week, and I am working from home.
I consider my self fortunate to be able to do it and realize not everyone is able to. I will admit I am not a fan of it, but I don't have a choice.
Other than trips our for groceries and other essentials, that is about it. All my kids activities have been cancelled and nothing else is open, so its work and :drinkingbud: and :wrenching: maybe the occasional walk with the dog.
I think there is fine line between social distancing and Isolation and that is it, going out to get the essentials and not going out at all. Unfortunately it seems there is no agreement on that.
I have a co-worker that just came back from Hungary with his wife, before everything shut down, we asked him to self isolate, out or an abundance of caution and although he has not come into the office, he has been our shopping and in and out of his apartment as the landlord is showing it to prospective tenants.
As much as we are trying to contain this thing, I fear we will not because of actions like this!
Jason
I was told yesterday my work is not shutting down as one of our customers was told by Homeland Security they need their product ASAP. For me as an inspector I work in a small room with a couple others and we share desk and surface plates and of course I handle parts multiple others have recently handled. I try to clean work surfaces, wear latex gloves but "distancing" does just not work in this envirement so I feel the only option is to take a few weeks off. Financially it will screw us bad but our health is always more important.
Quote from: Cudajason on March 20, 2020, 11:31:27 AM
I am in the professional services industry (large global accounting firm). Our offices in Canada have been shut down all week, and I am working from home.
I consider my self fortunate to be able to do it and realize not everyone is able to. I will admit I am not a fan of it, but I don't have a choice.
Other than trips our for groceries and other essentials, that is about it. All my kids activities have been cancelled and nothing else is open, so its work and :drinkingbud: and :wrenching: maybe the occasional walk with the dog.
I think there is fine line between social distancing and Isolation and that is it, going out to get the essentials and not going out at all. Unfortunately it seems there is no agreement on that.
I have a co-worker that just came back from Hungary with his wife, before everything shut down, we asked him to self isolate, out or an abundance of caution and although he has not come into the office, he has been our shopping and in and out of his apartment as the landlord is showing it to prospective tenants.
As much as we are trying to contain this thing, I fear we will not because of actions like this!
Jason
Hungary is so far pretty safe....up till now.
We just spoke with her relatives and they had shut down everything before it became a pandemic.
However, the plane back likely isn't as well protected from the virus.
Coronavirus: Number of Confirmed Cases in Hungary Rises to 85.
Last week, it was less than half this.
Quote from: Topcat on March 20, 2020, 11:55:30 AM
Quote from: Cudajason on March 20, 2020, 11:31:27 AM
I am in the professional services industry (large global accounting firm). Our offices in Canada have been shut down all week, and I am working from home.
I consider my self fortunate to be able to do it and realize not everyone is able to. I will admit I am not a fan of it, but I don't have a choice.
Other than trips our for groceries and other essentials, that is about it. All my kids activities have been cancelled and nothing else is open, so its work and :drinkingbud: and :wrenching: maybe the occasional walk with the dog.
I think there is fine line between social distancing and Isolation and that is it, going out to get the essentials and not going out at all. Unfortunately it seems there is no agreement on that.
I have a co-worker that just came back from Hungary with his wife, before everything shut down, we asked him to self isolate, out or an abundance of caution and although he has not come into the office, he has been our shopping and in and out of his apartment as the landlord is showing it to prospective tenants.
As much as we are trying to contain this thing, I fear we will not because of actions like this!
Jason
Hungary is so far pretty safe....up till now.
We just spoke with her relatives and they had shut down everything before it became a pandemic.
However, the plane back likely isn't as well protected from the virus.
Coronavirus: Number of Confirmed Cases in Hungary Rises to 85.
Last week, it was less than half this.
Yeah agreed, it has not been hard hit, but my coworker said there were no cases while he was there (March 4) and then by the time he got to Canada (March 9) it was 2 cases. Now is 85. So I bet it was there before he left. He flew through Austria, which had cases at the time, so the whole thing just makes me nervous...and I do not usually get nervous about these kind of things!!!
Jason
Cops here are starting to enforce the home isolation order, stopping cars asking people what they do and where they are going. You need to show proof like you are healthcare workers or some essential business etc. Some people my wife knows what already got ticketed. My work is 95% healthcare related and already received notifications from a few of the healthcare organizations that my company need to provide continue support. Looks like I will be heading out to a few hospitals next week. Got to do what you got to do and observe the distance separation and hygiene.
Haven't seen it yet here in Clayton, (near Concord), but I'm sure that will change soon.
Ticketed for what? Not observing a recommendation? Is that enforceable?
Quote from: blown motor on March 20, 2020, 12:35:23 PM
Ticketed for what? Not observing a recommendation? Is that enforceable?
:popcorn: :thinking: :popcorn:
Quote from: Cudajason on March 20, 2020, 12:09:48 PM
Quote from: Topcat on March 20, 2020, 11:55:30 AM
Quote from: Cudajason on March 20, 2020, 11:31:27 AM
I am in the professional services industry (large global accounting firm). Our offices in Canada have been shut down all week, and I am working from home.
I consider my self fortunate to be able to do it and realize not everyone is able to. I will admit I am not a fan of it, but I don't have a choice.
Other than trips our for groceries and other essentials, that is about it. All my kids activities have been cancelled and nothing else is open, so its work and :drinkingbud: and :wrenching: maybe the occasional walk with the dog.
I think there is fine line between social distancing and Isolation and that is it, going out to get the essentials and not going out at all. Unfortunately it seems there is no agreement on that.
I have a co-worker that just came back from Hungary with his wife, before everything shut down, we asked him to self isolate, out or an abundance of caution and although he has not come into the office, he has been our shopping and in and out of his apartment as the landlord is showing it to prospective tenants.
As much as we are trying to contain this thing, I fear we will not because of actions like this!
Jason
Hungary is so far pretty safe....up till now.
We just spoke with her relatives and they had shut down everything before it became a pandemic.
However, the plane back likely isn't as well protected from the virus.
Coronavirus: Number of Confirmed Cases in Hungary Rises to 85.
Last week, it was less than half this.
Yeah agreed, it has not been hard hit, but my coworker said there were no cases while he was there (March 4) and then by the time he got to Canada (March 9) it was 2 cases. Now is 85. So I bet it was there before he left. He flew through Austria, which had cases at the time, so the whole thing just makes me nervous...and I do not usually get nervous about these kind of things!!!
Jason
And you think a hospital employee would know better and not be so stupid but I guess not. Here in NH - "According to a report in The New York Times, the first case was of a hospital employee who had recently flown back to New Hampshire from Italy. The employee had reportedly been directed to self-quarantine and did not comply, instead attending an event with Dartmouth students, during which time another person was exposed to the virus. " I personally like most of the people I work with but most of them I don`t trust to be smart about this, proof is the one who went to NY last week. Social distancing and sanitizing only works if we all do it and unfortunately there will many who don`t.
Quote from: RUNCHARGER on March 20, 2020, 10:29:40 AM
I'm 63 and my wife is 58. We don't work and have been staying home but I'm starting to go stir crazy already.
Should have an e-body to work on.....
I found a V-code project I wanted. But the $25k US turned into $40k CDN and the same day I lost $100k on the stock market so the idea was short lived unfortunately.
I work for a medical company as well. All employees possible are working from home now. Me being amongst them. I deal directly with China and have really tried to learn what I could from their manufacturing persons.
One interesting thing learned covers what many have noted here already.
Any person who has traveled out of a specific region had to self quarantine themselves under penalty of law. Not from country to country. For USA perspective. I live in orange county Ca. If I take a trip and return from Los Angeles county. I have to quarantine for 2 weeks.
As long as I stayed in my county I would roam at will.
Been stating there is no downside (except economic) to overreacting. There is a huge downside to under reacting.
Italy is that posterchild...
Quote from: blown motor on March 20, 2020, 12:35:23 PM
Ticketed for what? Not observing a recommendation? Is that enforceable?
It is supposed to be a misdemeanor with a few hundred dollars fine. The SFPD chief already said in a news conference that SF will not go after anyone they see. Might be different story at the outlying counties looking for revenue.
Quote from: dodj on March 20, 2020, 02:19:20 PM
Quote from: RUNCHARGER on March 20, 2020, 10:29:40 AM
I'm 63 and my wife is 58. We don't work and have been staying home but I'm starting to go stir crazy already.
Should have an e-body to work on.....
I could be out in the garage but since kid has no school till April 6th, possibly longer I am Mr mom during the day and when the wife gets home I go to work till 11pm and get back up at 7:30-8am and do it again.
My wife and kids (4 & 2) have been home for two weeks now without leaving at all. I've had to go to work but am able to be pretty well isolated in my office.
I think we'll be turned home next week but it's been quite stressful.
USPS dropped off a T-handle tailgate lock (came from Michigan) for my '57 BelAir station wagon. The small box was slid under the front gate. I stared at it wondering if it was contaminated with covd-19. :notsure: WHO states the virus cannot survive 15 minutes at 140 degrees. The T-handle is all metal. Put it in the oven for 30 minutes at 200 degrees. Then, sprayed it with Lysol. Overkill?
Quote from: IRON MAN on March 20, 2020, 04:24:32 PM
USPS dropped off a T-handle tailgate lock (came from Michigan) for my '57 BelAir station wagon. The small box was slid under the front gate. I stared at it wondering if it was contaminated with covd-19. :notsure: WHO states the virus cannot survive 15 minutes at 140 degrees. The T-handle is all metal. Put it in the oven for 30 minutes at 200 degrees. Then, sprayed it with Lysol. Overkill?
If it gives you peace of mind....then no.
Nope, I'm working... Plus we get a health screening now before we can even enter the premises.
Quote from: IRON MAN on March 20, 2020, 04:24:32 PM
USPS dropped off a T-handle tailgate lock (came from Michigan) for my '57 BelAir station wagon. The small box was slid under the front gate. I stared at it wondering if it was contaminated with covd-19. :notsure: WHO states the virus cannot survive 15 minutes at 140 degrees. The T-handle is all metal. Put it in the oven for 30 minutes at 200 degrees. Then, sprayed it with Lysol. Overkill?
Depends...did you carry your gun with you to the front gate ? :pokeeye: :haha: :haha: :haha:
I had three large boxes delivered yesterday from UPS....when I wasn't looking, my wife sprayed them down heavily with Lysol :dunno:
They just announced an 11pm curfew for Florida. :bricks:
I just acquired 15 gallons of beer-making materials.
Ready to keep myself busy at home.
Here's a great graphic representation of what we are trying to do with distancing people.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/graphics/2020/world/corona-simulator/?fbclid=IwAR2b0byJm-eKs06IQxlaWWwr24_6_JKhot-OCMXEcbaghkytrVjEjn5i0tA
Marshal law was just imposed in New York state! Nanny Cuomo Has spoken. So if I go anywhere it will be in my wrecker as it' considered an essential service. :yes:
Radio personality I listen to some on my morning commute mentioned a few times last week, that a homeland security agent showed up at his house recently and gave him a card of some sort to allow travel. He's sort of a hothead shock jock type (Mancow Mueller, I think he's syndicated so maybe some outside the Chicago area hear him), so I take what he says with a grain of salt. But some of his callers in certain jobs like Streets and Sanitation said they'd got those cards recently too, so this may be true. If so, I'd guess that means a nationwide shutdown is coming because homeland security wouldn't be giving out cards for local or state shutdowns.
Ben Shapiros podcasts over the last week or so on this have been very interesting. Yesterdays one he talked about shutdowns and kept saying what is the plan, are you just wrecking the economy to postpone the inevitable or is there a plan to increase medical capabilities etc so that things can be opened back up in a few weeks?
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=tTayZX6LNtA
In late August of 1975 I acquired some sort of virus that has done nothing but compromise my respiratory system to date.
My wife and I decide, with this Covid-19 in full swing, not to take chances and self-isolate (not really "quarantine" since neither of us have, or intend to have, this current pandemic virus) . I say "self-isolate" carefully because it is near impossible to address issues like medication, perishable goods, etc-etc without subjecting yourself to in store customers/employees or delivery 'carriers' not showing symptoms. Even if you have it delivered to your doorstep you are still running the unknown factor of Covid-19 viability on cardboard or paper (it's an unknown). So, with fewer trips to the store, it's a quick dash into the store - observing the six foot rule (as well as other known rules) - and quick dash out. So far, our county is not on the list of infected counties in Colorado. When it becomes so, I plan on upping my game to insure our safety. In my mind IF I acquire Covid-19 and with a compromised respiratory system, that will be pretty much the end for me. More so, since this virus dispatches the elderly set at a higher percentage than other age groups. I am sixty-six and my wife is sixty-er-um-something (I really meant to say, "thirty-nine and holding"). *ahem* We are both retired from the 'Rat-Race' some time ago.
I know! Perhaps to some of you, I seem a little 'anal retentive', but better alive than dead.
So far we haven't found it too difficult to adjust to self-isolation. I am a practicing lonely-only in my family and my wife is somewhat close to her brother (another state now). Since we arrived to our new home, to live here full-time, our acquaintances have been extremely limited. That was two years ago. New friends locally, for us, don't exist. Which oddly, we don't find it a detriment. So our "Social Life" is nil and is less likely for transference of this dreadful virus. Good for them and good for us. I will miss slowing down in the shopping aisles. I will miss going to a church. I will miss participating in car shows, but knowing what I know and observing state mandates will (hopefully) keep us kickin'.
To make it all go by easier, self-isolation on 2 1/2 acres in a rural county helps. Having a ton (if it could be measured this way) of projects and the wife's – honey-do - list helps. Self-meditation (prayer) helps. Trying to solve the problem of your six pack leaking fuel all over the top of your 440 helps. Keeping the consequences of breaking "your" rules implanted in you're mind helps. Reading a book or watching a good (HA!) movie helps. Knowing you went through something like it in 1975 helps.
I really don't know what more to say about this, except, "Everybody stay healthy!!!"
Oh! Btw – To those that go through this ordeal and survive, my hat is off to you...
https://www.sacbee.com/news/nation-world/national/article241095161.html (https://www.sacbee.com/news/nation-world/national/article241095161.html)
Mopar N95 = Idle STOP
Medical mask N95 - Foreign matter STOP
In Quebec City, police arrested a woman Friday who was infected with the virus and who was walking around outside after being mandated to stay indoors. The arrest was the first time Quebec City's public health director issued an order to police under emergency powers granted after Premier Francois Legault declared a public health emergency March 14.
Scary numbers :o
ROME, March 21 (Reuters) - The death toll from an outbreak of coronavirus in Italy has leapt by 793 in one day to 4,825, officials said on Saturday, an increase of 19.6% -- by far the largest daily rise in absolute terms since the contagion emerged a month ago.
On Thursday, Italy overtook China as the country to register most deaths from the highly contagious virus.
The total number of cases in Italy rose to 53,578 from a previous 47,021, an increase of 13.9%, the Civil Protection Agency said.
Such a tough decision, lot`s of conflicting information and I really don`t think they know enough about it yet. Half the people say we are overreacting and it`s "just like the flu" while others say it`s really bad and take every precaution you can. My plan is to talk to my boss (CEO of the company), inform him of the employee most likely to have travelled to NYC last week, see what he says and make my decision from there.
Quote from: torredcuda on March 22, 2020, 05:30:35 AM
Such a tough decision, lot`s of conflicting information and I really don`t think they know enough about it yet. Half the people say we are overreacting and it`s "just like the flu" while others say it`s really bad and take every precaution you can. My plan is to talk to my boss (CEO of the company), inform him of the employee most likely to have travelled to NYC last week, see what he says and make my decision from there.
I don't believe this is like the typical flu.
The COVID19 depending on which numbers you look at is between 1 and 3 percent. Typical flu is one tenth of one percent. Making the COVID19 minimally 10 times more deadly then the flu. Although I suspect there may be more people infected then are reported, which would lower the death rate.
I think the real issue is how this one spreads. Typical flu your contagious for 24 hours without symptoms and 4 or 5 days with symptoms. COVID19 you can 5 days without symptoms and be contagious and another 7 days or so after.
And all of this without a vaccine or a population that has any built up immunity.
In my opinion we have a challenging 12 - 24 months ahead of us.
I am happy that I've had a home office for a while, now, so I am used to work remotely. I am in sales, but have not gone out to see customers for over a week, and will not until the situation is under control, phone and video calls only, and I don't think they mind. Quebec provincial governement has been proactive with warnings, school closings and requests for people to stay home and not socialize, and a 14-day quarantine for anyone entering the province from anywhere else, and I think people in general are getting the message. My wife and I are staying home, and are in contact with our parents and daughters remotely, we just had a family brunch... via Skype!
With the 14-day period in which the virus can incubate without showing symptoms, it's very likely that a lot more people than you think have been exposed to it... A worker at a Bombardier plant has just been confirmed, and has been in contact with at least 1000 co-workers before he realized he had symptoms, including my niece, it makes you realize that the degrees of separation between you and the virus are getting smaller. Imagine if that person had contracted the virus abroad and decided not to observe the 14-day self-imposed quarantine, and that he infected some co-workers, who infected an elderly relative... It's the domino effect that needs to be stopped. So far, the curve here is flatter than average, so it seems to be helping...
I'd rather be the guy who took too many precautions (and that does not mean buying a year's worth of Toilet paper!) when we get back to semi-normal...
Everyone stay safe!
Ben
Quote from: kdcarman on March 22, 2020, 07:34:55 AM
Quote from: torredcuda on March 22, 2020, 05:30:35 AM
Such a tough decision, lot`s of conflicting information and I really don`t think they know enough about it yet. Half the people say we are overreacting and it`s "just like the flu" while others say it`s really bad and take every precaution you can. My plan is to talk to my boss (CEO of the company), inform him of the employee most likely to have travelled to NYC last week, see what he says and make my decision from there.
I don't believe this is like the typical flu.
In my opinion we have a challenging 12 - 24 months ahead of us.
That is the other issue, we could self quarantine for a few weeks and hopefully it will be under control but they are saying it could ump up again in the fall and be around a year or more before there is a vaccine - we can`t all quarantine and social distance that long can we?
That's the problem, I read that they are ready to start test different vaccines all over the world but it seems testing takes about a year. Right now it is only the old and weak that are dying, hopefully that won't change.
Quote from: RUNCHARGER on March 22, 2020, 12:57:46 PM
That's the problem, I read that they are ready to start test different vaccines all over the world but it seems testing takes about a year. Right now it is only the old and weak that are dying, hopefully that won't change.
There are very promising results from some of the testing with hydroxychloroquine & azithromycin however it is currently considered anecdotal evidence requiring further testing... But people are dying while we're waiting...
Personally I feel the world medical "complex" doesn't want an old drug to be the accepted treatment... Can't get rich selling old drugs.. Gotta have something newly patented that can be outsourced to China..
Quote from: 1 Wild R/T on March 22, 2020, 04:10:11 PM
Quote from: RUNCHARGER on March 22, 2020, 12:57:46 PM
That's the problem, I read that they are ready to start test different vaccines all over the world but it seems testing takes about a year. Right now it is only the old and weak that are dying, hopefully that won't change.
There are very promising results from some of the testing with hydroxychloroquine & azithromycin however it is currently considered anecdotal evidence requiring further testing... But people are dying while we're waiting...
Personally I feel the world medical "complex" doesn't want an old drug to be the accepted treatment... Can't get rich selling old drugs.. Gotta have something newly patented that can be outsourced to China..
https://www.livescience.com/chloroquine-coronavirus-treatment.html
Certainly not proven..but what else ya gonna do at the moment?
I just read an article where the doctor said that they should have some results by the first of the year. :o. Meanwhile our state cancelled school for the rest of the year, doesn't effect us much since we have always home schooled. Kansas City I just heard is shelter in place for thirty days. Personally I haven't made many changes except that I don't go visit my friends in the nursing home anymore and will probably stop going to the gym because they are limiting workouts to thirty minutes. But things seem to change by the hour. Hopefully we come out of it in the other side as quickly.
All gyms are closed in our area :dunno:
GYms, hairdressers, restaurants (except take-out), shopping centers, churches, any meeting place, here. It's basically just drugstores, grocery stores and liquor and wine stores (which are governement-owned here!). It seems the people who cannot understand social distancing are older folks, and they are the ones who are most at risk... So they close their usual hangouts!
Ben
I think it`s the opposite - most seniors are taking this serious while the younger people are going to NYC ::) , spring break, bars if still open etc.
Quote from: torredcuda on March 23, 2020, 05:32:38 AM
I think it`s the opposite - most seniors are taking this serious while the younger people are going to NYC ::) , spring break, bars if still open etc.
Don't forget Florida and California!!! :headbang:
Quote from: torredcuda on March 23, 2020, 05:32:38 AM
I think it`s the opposite - most seniors are taking this serious while the younger people are going to NYC ::) , spring break, bars if still open etc.
Could be true. Seniors have a little more 'skin' in the game looking at fatality stats.
Around my town, the majority, all ages, seem to be taking it seriously.
Massachusetts governor gave a stay at home advisory as I heard my work is considered "essential" so will stay open along with other essential businesses like liquor stores. ::)
At 67 years old, I'm taking this seriously. I minimize my time around others and keep a safe distance. We have a cabin on 30 acres in the Washington state Cascade mountains with our nearest year round neighbor a mile away and I have 2 locked gates across my access road between us. My nearest part time neighbor is almost 1/2 mile away and I haven't seen him in 2 years after he harvested his bumper marijuana crop in 2018. We can't go up there to isolate because my wife and I are taking care of her parents who are in their late 80s. The other day, my neighbor told me he wishes he knew the location of my cabin because he'd go up there to stay for awhile. I laughed but he was serious. We just need to wash our hands and keep safe distances. I've been isolating in my shop with a Charger I'm working on.
Terry
Provincial governement has just orderd all companies, offices and stores not considered essential services to be shut down for the next three weeks starting tomorrow night.
Construction sites will be closed down.
We'll see how it goes...
Ben
New York is starting to lose control and is the virus center in the country. Trump should seriously consider to close and blockade the City and the surrounding area just like the Chinese did for Wuhan except to move faster. Don't make the same mistake that the Chinese did.
Quote from: benlavigne on March 23, 2020, 10:38:25 AM
Provincial governement has just orderd all companies, offices and stores not considered essential services to be shut down for the next three weeks starting tomorrow night.
Construction sites will be closed down.
We'll see how it goes...
Ben
Same here in Ontario....
Michigan just shut down . . 3 weeks . . :dunno:
Mass is till April 7th. I talked to my boss and I`m not going in tonight and he is looking into how we can get paid if we stay out longer. Already starting to go stir crazy and kid has only been home for a week. :looney:
Ontario is shutting down as of midnight tomorrow night. The list gets longer.
Traffic today was non existent today. six inches of fresh snow, and not one 911 call. :cheers:
Quote from: JS29 on March 23, 2020, 03:41:35 PM
Traffic today was non existent today. six inches of fresh snow, and not one 911 call. :cheers:
Ya we got about 4" today but most of it has melted off. Lawn is poking thru again..... never went out for the last few days so no idea on traffic.
:dunno:
Quote from: blown motor on March 23, 2020, 02:04:27 PM
Ontario is shutting down as of midnight tomorrow night. The list gets longer.
Yeah if you thought there was nothing to do before, its really going to be quiet out there now. It will be interesting to see what they deem as essential services.
I am one of the lucky ones that has not been overly affected by this yet. There is no way we will be deemed essential, but our offices have ben shut down for a week already and most people are working from home. So its really business as usual for me...10 hour work days and trying to get stuff done. I am not complaining in the least! Fingers crossed it will continue that way.
Jason
Quote from: Cudajason on March 23, 2020, 05:52:02 PM
Quote from: blown motor on March 23, 2020, 02:04:27 PM
Ontario is shutting down as of midnight tomorrow night. The list gets longer.
Yeah if you thought there was nothing to do before, its really going to be quiet out there now. It will be interesting to see what they deem as essential services.
I am one of the lucky ones that has not been overly affected by this yet. There is no way we will be deemed essential, but our offices have ben shut down for a week already and most people are working from home. So its really business as usual for me...10 hour work days and trying to get stuff done. I am not complaining in the least! Fingers crossed it will continue that way.
Jason
Seems 80% of Ontario jobs are essential so don't worry....even if your bicycle needs repair...you'll be okay... :twothumbsup:
Quote from: anlauto on March 23, 2020, 08:11:05 PM
Quote from: Cudajason on March 23, 2020, 05:52:02 PM
Quote from: blown motor on March 23, 2020, 02:04:27 PM
Ontario is shutting down as of midnight tomorrow night. The list gets longer.
Yeah if you thought there was nothing to do before, its really going to be quiet out there now. It will be interesting to see what they deem as essential services.
I am one of the lucky ones that has not been overly affected by this yet. There is no way we will be deemed essential, but our offices have ben shut down for a week already and most people are working from home. So its really business as usual for me...10 hour work days and trying to get stuff done. I am not complaining in the least! Fingers crossed it will continue that way.
Jason
Seems 80% of Ontario jobs are essential so don't worry....even if your bicycle needs repair...you'll be okay... :twothumbsup:
Yeah no kidding! I guess furniture stores and thats about it will shut down now!!
In Mass you can still get your car fixed to drive to the liquor store so at least they`ll still be drunks driving around, maybe with less traffic they will easier to catch. :dunno:
Sweden is taking it easy on the regulations, almost everything is open, restaurants, bars, there is a ban of events more than 500 people, but most smaller events gets cancelled anyways. Schools for kids 6-15 Y are still open, the higher ages schools have live internet classes, my daughter is on a class in her bedroom right now.
But people are for the most part staying at home anyways. I shopped yesterday, no shortage of TP :)
But the virus is here in our small village though, yesterday 2 people in the old folks retirement home died from it.
My work will suffer, all our movies (I'm doing film sound) are cancelled or postponed now. Still have a TV serie that I started before the virus.
I will surely have no work during the summer.
Not a problem since I still get 92% of my salary for the rest of the year if necessary, the government helps out with that.
Might be a good time to do lots of work on my cars since its my job that usually takes all my time.
Over 100 deaths in one day in the US yesterday :o as Italy tops 6000 deaths, 2000 in the last four days... :andyangel: This things ramps up quick..
Quote from: soundcontrol on March 24, 2020, 04:50:42 AM
Sweden is taking it easy on the regulations, almost everything is open, restaurants, bars, there is a ban of events more than 500 people, but most smaller events gets cancelled anyways. Schools for kids 6-15 Y are still open, the higher ages schools have live internet classes, my daughter is on a class in her bedroom right now.
But people are for the most part staying at home anyways. I shopped yesterday, no shortage of TP :)
But the virus is here in our small village though, yesterday 2 people in the old folks retirement home died from it.
My work will suffer, all our movies (I'm doing film sound) are cancelled or postponed now. Still have a TV serie that I started before the virus.
I will surely have no work during the summer.
Not a problem since I still get 92% of my salary for the rest of the year if necessary, the government helps out with that.
Might be a good time to do lots of work on my cars since its my job that usually takes all my time.
That scares me. as Alan mentioned, things can ramp up quickly.
It may feel like we are over reacting, but if we do and nothing happens, that is the point.
Even given all our measures, Quebec (the province next to ours) reported 400 new cases overnight...jumping form 221 to over 600. That is scary!
Jason
Just my opinion....
The state of emergency declarations are not required to 'flatten the curve'. Closing businesses is ineffectual. As long as you keep safe distances from others and practice enhanced personal hygiene you will be good.
Eliminating gatherings and events and things where you cannot reasonably keep space between people is a good thing...ie planes busses, subways, team sports...
If business is forced closed for a long time, and economically we get wrecked, the solution will also cause a lot of death and suffering. :alan2cents:
I just read this quote from Newt Gingrich who is actually in Italy now with his wife. This make explain why Italy is in the position they are. I think this combined with the fact they did not aggressively "distance people" early on. I don't know how after watching Italy, Spain, NYC, Washington, - you can leave this thing go unchecked.
"None of us, at least I didn't know that there were 100,000 Chinese [people] living in northern Italy and that many of them come from Wuhan and that there was a flight between Milan and Wuhan," Gingrich explained.
Quote from: dodj on March 24, 2020, 07:45:39 AM
Just my opinion....
The state of emergency declarations are not required to 'flatten the curve'. Closing businesses is ineffectual. As long as you keep safe distances from others and practice enhanced personal hygiene you will be good.
Eliminating gatherings and events and things where you cannot reasonably keep space between people is a good thing...ie planes busses, subways, team sports...
If business is forced closed for a long time, and economically we get wrecked, the solution will also cause a lot of death and suffering. :alan2cents:
Not practical or even possible to keep distance in some businesses. I share workspace and even the desk with one or more co-workers, I can handle 100`s of parts a day that have been previuosly handled by multiple others, we just coudn`t do our job unless we all have PPE on 100% of the time. We have a pretty good stock of latex gloves but probably not enough dust masks and those are not the best for preventing a virus. We also have mulitple delivery trucks coming and going all day long, we limit them to staying outside the shop but they still handle boxes. I am sure many other businesses have the same issues.
Quote from: torredcuda on March 24, 2020, 08:03:49 AM
Not practical or even possible to keep distance in some businesses.
Of course. But instead of closing long term, plan a way to space people out. Rotate shifts, less people per room, stagger breaks etc. Keep people safe. Safe distances. Over the years offices have been about fitting a lot of people in a given space. We now need to learn to space individuals out.
It's not like this will over in a few weeks.
Quote from: dodj on March 24, 2020, 08:15:24 AM
Quote from: torredcuda on March 24, 2020, 08:03:49 AM
Not practical or even possible to keep distance in some businesses.
Of course. But instead of closing long term, plan a way to space people out. Rotate shifts, less people per room, stagger breaks etc. Keep people safe. Safe distances. Over the years offices have been about fitting a lot of people in a given space. We now need to learn to space individuals out.
It's not like this will over in a few weeks.
You should see our shop during the day, overcrowded pretty bad, can barely walk down the aisles, OSHA would love it. :-[ Luckily I work nights and theres only 7-8 of us.
Quote from: dodj on March 24, 2020, 07:45:39 AM
Just my opinion....
The state of emergency declarations are not required to 'flatten the curve'. Closing businesses is ineffectual. As long as you keep safe distances from others and practice enhanced personal hygiene you will be good.
Eliminating gatherings and events and things where you cannot reasonably keep space between people is a good thing...ie planes busses, subways, team sports...
:iagree:
I'm seeing people pretty much panicking and thinking the solution to this all is to stay at home for 2-3 weeks and this will all magically disappear? I don't see much evidence of a long term plan especially from the Canadian government as thats what I see the most. Pretty short sighted is what I'm sensing and much too slow to react. I'm hearing/reading reports of a second wave in China and yet again China lying ( wow shocker !) about the death rate or new cases slowing down in Wuhan being a lie ? Also reports of it mutating into a second/different strain? Also I have no idea but is this like most other viruses in that once you have had it you can't get it again? No one seems to know for sure. If not then staying in our homes is futile. https://www.npr.org/sections/goatsandsoda/2020/03/20/819038431/do-you-get-immunity-after-recovering-from-a-case-of-coronavirus
My thoughts are your better off having the mindset that you ARE going to contract this virus and to plan ahead for it. Have 2-3 weeks of food /supplies /medical supplies too, on hand at all times to be ready to self isolate when symptoms appear. 2-3 months income saved up would be a great propriety as well Of course there are some that this is difficult if not impossible. But if it was a "priority" most could. Needs vs wants. If your mortgaged to the eyeballs in your 5000 sq foot house with a new BMW in the driveway that your making payments on trying to keep up with "the Jones's" well ...... no one can fix stupid!
I understand the wisdom on everyone staying home in an effort to not overwhelm the medical system. Meaning strategically planing on not everyone getting sick at the same time. You can't stop this virus without a real medical cure, as of this point we don't have one....yet? Might happen? Might never happen, then what?
But we can't stay home for months/years etc... at some point we all must accept this is a "war" and as in all wars people die both good and bad people. Maybe even me? Like what's the plan stay at home for months while food supplies, and all the other deemed necessities dry up when people get sick? Might work ok for a time for the elites but even they at some point will run out. It's really irrelevant what the mortality rate is as we can't all stay home indefinitely. Our elderly and very young yep sure be smart about it. But the rest of us..... no one can change the fact " you don't work, you don't eat" at some point life must go on.
I guess what I am saying is we have to adapt. Just shutting down and hiding in your house is not sustainable.
Number of cases will jump in short time due to more tests available.
Remember good things are happening; potential drugs for easing reaction to virus, more testing and early intervention.
Respiratory care continues to progress and improve.
People will adapt, we always do.
I worry the prevention will be worse than getting the virus.
Oregon and Washington State issued stay at home orders yesterday.
Company I work for is exempt as we manufacture essential equipment.
Normal day at work for me, purchasing is challenged as our suppliers are starting to have issues.
People are stressed and feelings are on the surface.
Wife is at home, as all dental professionals are, shutdown to conserve PPE. (not paid)
Daughter is also home and getting paid, work for school district.
She is not complaining as this frees her to work more hours for Fire Dept.
Everybody stay safe, keep things in perspective, and please don't over react by watching the news.
To me the overall solutions are seem fairly simple to drastically reduce the infectious opportunities. Most "bottom dollar" incremental changes should be ended.
First off is the nanny state of Ca. Must rescind the plastic straw and bag ban.
All restaurants that have public fill stations for drinks, condiments, salsa, etc... all must return to providing them to us.
Self serve stations at alls stores to be eliminated.
Total capacity to be reduced at restaurants. Immediately they should only fill every other seat and also remove the packed in (infill) small tables.
All these small and easy things will reduce potential contacts exponentially.
My2c
Mike.
Quote from: YellowThumper on March 24, 2020, 02:38:33 PM
To me the overall solutions are seem fairly simple to drastically reduce the infectious opportunities. Most "bottom dollar" incremental changes should be ended.
First off is the nanny state of Ca. Must rescind the plastic straw and bag ban.
All restaurants that have public fill stations for drinks, condiments, salsa, etc... all must return to providing them to us.
Self serve stations at alls stores to be eliminated.
Total capacity to be reduced at restaurants. Immediately they should only fill every other seat and also remove the packed in (infill) small tables.
All these small and easy things will reduce potential contacts exponentially.
My2c
Mike.
This is exactly what they enforced here in Sweden just a few hrs ago. Almost to the point. Kept the restaurants open, but just table service, (and home delivery) and spaced the tables out, limiting the guest numbers. No hanging in bars, drinking beer is fine, just at a table.
Quote from: Cudajason on March 24, 2020, 06:29:31 AM
Quote from: soundcontrol on March 24, 2020, 04:50:42 AM
Sweden is taking it easy on the regulations, almost everything is open, restaurants, bars, there is a ban of events more than 500 people, but most smaller events gets cancelled anyways. Schools for kids 6-15 Y are still open, the higher ages schools have live internet classes, my daughter is on a class in her bedroom right now.
But people are for the most part staying at home anyways. I shopped yesterday, no shortage of TP :)
But the virus is here in our small village though, yesterday 2 people in the old folks retirement home died from it.
My work will suffer, all our movies (I'm doing film sound) are cancelled or postponed now. Still have a TV serie that I started before the virus.
I will surely have no work during the summer.
Not a problem since I still get 92% of my salary for the rest of the year if necessary, the government helps out with that.
Might be a good time to do lots of work on my cars since its my job that usually takes all my time.
That scares me. as Alan mentioned, things can ramp up quickly.
It may feel like we are over reacting, but if we do and nothing happens, that is the point.
Even given all our measures, Quebec (the province next to ours) reported 400 new cases overnight...jumping form 221 to over 600. That is scary!
Jason
Jason,
The reported cases went up quickly, only because they have set up many new testing sites, some being drive-thrus, no need to get out of the car! They've setup a clinic right downtown Montreal, capable of handling 2000 tests per day. Death toll has been steady at 4 for a few days, all from the same retirement home. But now other residents, as well as paramedics and personel who took care of them, have been tested positive... This sh*t is very easy to spread around if people are not prudent.
Ben
I work at Avery Brewing Co, a medium sized craft brewery. We chose to close the restaurant/bar before the state demanded we do. Fortunately though the brewery side is considered "essential" so we can continue manufacturing. We need to have "papers" when we travel to/from work showing that we are exempt.
We have a majority of management/office staff working from home and distancing practices within the workplace for those that need to come in for the production and packaging.
I head the maintenance department and can work for awhile from home but at some point I'll have exhausted productive work. At least once a week I'll be in and of course I'm on call for the inevitable issues with machinery or software.
Times have been rough over the last few years for a lot of craft breweries, it would be pretty devastating if we had to simple shut the doors.
I doubt it's over by Easter......
Quote from: worthywads on March 24, 2020, 05:42:09 PM
I doubt it's over by Easter......
The homeless and young generation is the factor how long this could last.
We're officially under a "stay at home" order and I do support it. Our medical system will simply not support the masses getting sick at the same time, the stay at home precautions are intended to try to actually prolong the inevitable in an attempt to mitigate overloading the healthcare system [Italy].
I sure wish our medical/health system wasn't all private and for profit, it's a huge hurdle to overcome during times like this. There's no "team" in the medical world outside of each individual hospital. Some hospitals here are trying to avoid public awareness of their facility having COVID patients in an attempt to protect their image as much as possible... :notsure: :pokeeye:
Quote from: GoodysGotaCuda on March 24, 2020, 06:47:32 PM
There's no "team" in the medical world outside of each individual hospital. Some hospitals here are trying to avoid public awareness of their facility having COVID patients in an attempt to protect their image as much as possible...
I hope it is the exception rather than the rule....
Quote from: dodj on March 24, 2020, 07:07:05 PM
Quote from: GoodysGotaCuda on March 24, 2020, 06:47:32 PM
There's no "team" in the medical world outside of each individual hospital. Some hospitals here are trying to avoid public awareness of their facility having COVID patients in an attempt to protect their image as much as possible...
I hope it is the exception rather than the rule....
Governor wouldn't have to get involved if this wasn't widespread.
Private hospitals are withholding information from the public, because they don't have to disclose it. The Executive order backs the comment.
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What's Vince Vaughn doing on the right..lol
I'm guessing the sign language guy, but it looks like Vince doing some driving comedy bit.
:o
The 2-3 week stay at home orders are merely to keep from overwhelming hopsitals and ICU capacity, obviuosly this virus will be around for a long time and we can`t stop the whole economy for much longer than that without it collapsing. After staying home Monday I went into work last night and was pleasantly surprised the management is taking things very seriuos. The co-worker who went to NYC was talked to and sent home to quarantine for a couple weeks, hopefully he didn`t spread it to anyone there already and the manager of the machining dept was also told to stay out for two weeks after taking a trip to Florida by plane. Hopefully they can find those drug combinations soon to lesson the seriousness of people who get severe symptoms.
A lot of people don't realize that the moment you step out of your house to do anything like get the mail, go to fill up with gas, grab a coffee, get groceries, etc.... Once you return home, your 14 days starts over again...if you have someone in your house, or UPS drops off a box....your 14 days starts over again... :bricks:
Quote from: anlauto on March 25, 2020, 07:31:31 AM
A lot of people don't realize that the moment you step out of your house to do anything like get the mail, go to fill up with gas, grab a coffee, get groceries, etc.... Once you return home, your 14 days starts over again...if you have someone in your house, or UPS drops off a box....your 14 days starts over again... :bricks:
If you are quarantined, because you returned home from foreign travel, you should not be leaving the house at all for the 14 day period!!!!!
If you are self isolating and practicing social distancing there is no time limit, but you should be limiting shopping trips to the essentials, but a walk around the neighborhood is ok.
:alan2cents:
Quote from: soundcontrol on March 24, 2020, 02:57:05 PM
Quote from: YellowThumper on March 24, 2020, 02:38:33 PM
To me the overall solutions are seem fairly simple to drastically reduce the infectious opportunities. Most "bottom dollar" incremental changes should be ended.
First off is the nanny state of Ca. Must rescind the plastic straw and bag ban.
All restaurants that have public fill stations for drinks, condiments, salsa, etc... all must return to providing them to us.
Self serve stations at alls stores to be eliminated.
Total capacity to be reduced at restaurants. Immediately they should only fill every other seat and also remove the packed in (infill) small tables.
All these small and easy things will reduce potential contacts exponentially.
My2c
Mike.
This is exactly what they enforced here in Sweden just a few hrs ago. Almost to the point. Kept the restaurants open, but just table service, (and home delivery) and spaced the tables out, limiting the guest numbers. No hanging in bars, drinking beer is fine, just at a table.
@soundcontrol (https://forum.e-bodies.org/mlist/soundcontrol_67) I work directly with China suppliers and have been "feeling" them out for months. Obviously they cannot disclose much without fear of severe penalties. Reading between the lines from the small comments of many I deal with. I knew this was coming. It was much more severe than was let out. As is being discussed here now they have mandatory quarantine whenever they leave their local areas.
This equates to me leaving orange county to visit LA county. I can but when returning I am again quarantined.
This has effect of preventing the wide spread. Keeping it local as they say.
It is not practical to separate households. But can be practical to separate cities or a bit looser to separate counties.
Quote from: GoodysGotaCuda on March 24, 2020, 06:47:32 PM
We're officially under a "stay at home" order and I do support it. Our medical system will simply not support the masses getting sick at the same time, the stay at home precautions are intended to try to actually prolong the inevitable in an attempt to mitigate overloading the healthcare system [Italy].
I sure wish our medical/health system wasn't all private and for profit, it's a huge hurdle to overcome during times like this. There's no "team" in the medical world outside of each individual hospital. Some hospitals here are trying to avoid public awareness of their facility having COVID patients in an attempt to protect their image as much as possible... :notsure: :pokeeye:
Guarantee the all private insurance plan is dead after this.
Government to fund the basics with optional private ability if willing to pay for it.
My sis in law repairs venting equipment for hospitals. One she is working at has a couple covid patients. They also were not spreading the news. Until now...
Because of mandate.
Quote from: Cudajason on March 25, 2020, 08:33:33 AM
Quote from: anlauto on March 25, 2020, 07:31:31 AM
A lot of people don't realize that the moment you step out of your house to do anything like get the mail, go to fill up with gas, grab a coffee, get groceries, etc.... Once you return home, your 14 days starts over again...if you have someone in your house, or UPS drops off a box....your 14 days starts over again... :bricks:
If you are quarantined, because you returned home from foreign travel, you should not be leaving the house at all for the 14 day period!!!!!
If you are self isolating and practicing social distancing there is no time limit, but you should be limiting shopping trips to the essentials, but a walk around the neighborhood is ok.
:alan2cents:
Quarantine if you have the virus, which means not leaving your home, social distancing to limit the spread.
Quote from: YellowThumper on March 25, 2020, 09:02:05 AM
Quote from: soundcontrol on March 24, 2020, 02:57:05 PM
Quote from: YellowThumper on March 24, 2020, 02:38:33 PM
To me the overall solutions are seem fairly simple to drastically reduce the infectious opportunities. Most "bottom dollar" incremental changes should be ended.
First off is the nanny state of Ca. Must rescind the plastic straw and bag ban.
All restaurants that have public fill stations for drinks, condiments, salsa, etc... all must return to providing them to us.
Self serve stations at alls stores to be eliminated.
Total capacity to be reduced at restaurants. Immediately they should only fill every other seat and also remove the packed in (infill) small tables.
All these small and easy things will reduce potential contacts exponentially.
My2c
Mike.
This is exactly what they enforced here in Sweden just a few hrs ago. Almost to the point. Kept the restaurants open, but just table service, (and home delivery) and spaced the tables out, limiting the guest numbers. No hanging in bars, drinking beer is fine, just at a table.
@soundcontrol (https://forum.e-bodies.org/mlist/soundcontrol_67) I work directly with China suppliers and have been "feeling" them out for months. Obviously they cannot disclose much without fear of severe penalties. Reading between the lines from the small comments of many I deal with. I knew this was coming. It was much more severe than was let out. As is being discussed here now they have mandatory quarantine whenever they leave their local areas.
This equates to me leaving orange county to visit LA county. I can but when returning I am again quarantined.
This has effect of preventing the wide spread. Keeping it local as they say.
It is not practical to separate households. But can be practical to separate cities or a bit looser to separate counties.
I am travelling 40 miles to work in a different state because we are considered "essential"
Quote from: torredcuda on March 25, 2020, 09:14:44 AM
Quote from: Cudajason on March 25, 2020, 08:33:33 AM
Quote from: anlauto on March 25, 2020, 07:31:31 AM
A lot of people don't realize that the moment you step out of your house to do anything like get the mail, go to fill up with gas, grab a coffee, get groceries, etc.... Once you return home, your 14 days starts over again...if you have someone in your house, or UPS drops off a box....your 14 days starts over again... :bricks:
If you are quarantined, because you returned home from foreign travel, you should not be leaving the house at all for the 14 day period!!!!!
If you are self isolating and practicing social distancing there is no time limit, but you should be limiting shopping trips to the essentials, but a walk around the neighborhood is ok.
:alan2cents:
Quarantine if you have the virus, which means not leaving your home, social distancing to limit the spread.
EXACTLY...unless you have just come home from abroad...then Quarantine for 14 days, to be safe.
The scariest part is that you can transmit the disease while being asymptomatic, so we may all be screwed anyway!!!
Did you hear about the lady arriving at Toronto airport and dying of the virus only hours of getting off the plane :looney: Welcome home :grouphug:
It can live on cardboard for up to 24 hours....UPS guy sneezes on your Summit Racing box and you bring it right into your house....something as simple as that.... :headbang:
Quote from: anlauto on March 25, 2020, 11:00:32 AM
Did you hear about the lady arriving at Toronto airport and dying of the virus only hours of getting off the plane :looney: Welcome home :grouphug:
It can live on cardboard for up to 24 hours....UPS guy sneezes on your Summit Racing box and you bring it right into your house....something as simple as that.... :headbang:
This just in...
Quote from: Cudajason on March 25, 2020, 10:20:04 AM
Quote from: torredcuda on March 25, 2020, 09:14:44 AM
Quote from: Cudajason on March 25, 2020, 08:33:33 AM
Quote from: anlauto on March 25, 2020, 07:31:31 AM
A lot of people don't realize that the moment you step out of your house to do anything like get the mail, go to fill up with gas, grab a coffee, get groceries, etc.... Once you return home, your 14 days starts over again...if you have someone in your house, or UPS drops off a box....your 14 days starts over again... :bricks:
If you are quarantined, because you returned home from foreign travel, you should not be leaving the house at all for the 14 day period!!!!!
If you are self isolating and practicing social distancing there is no time limit, but you should be limiting shopping trips to the essentials, but a walk around the neighborhood is ok.
:alan2cents:
Quarantine if you have the virus, which means not leaving your home, social distancing to limit the spread.
EXACTLY...unless you have just come home from abroad...then Quarantine for 14 days, to be safe.
The scariest part is that you can transmit the disease while being asymptomatic, so we may all be screwed anyway!!!
Quarantine law is now in effect in Canada, so you HAVE TO isolate yourself for 14 days if you are incoming from outside the country... and that means no stopping for groceries before you get home!
Ben
Just saved about $57 filling up my truck with cheap covid-19 gas :banana: :banana:
My business is considered essential also. So is my sons. So we both have to work.
Just doing the best we can.
Louisiana is now the fastest growing rate of infected individuals.
Deep South members, stay home. Be safe.
My son was informed that at his part time job he'll get a $2.00/hr raise :bigmoney:
Wow US is now over 1035 deaths :andyangel:
SF Bay area expected high death rates for the next 2 weeks.
Ramping up very fast now.
I wish I could be quarantined, I might actually get something done on my Challenger! Unfortunately the refinery stays running no matter what happens, so no quarantine for me!
Quote from: anlauto on March 25, 2020, 08:27:57 PM
Wow US is now over 1035 deaths :andyangel:
Not to belittle that in any way, but the seasonal flu caused (cdc estimate) 34000 deaths last year in the USA. I was shocked at the number when I first saw it when researching as best I could about corona and flu.
New York has half of the country's kung-flu cases!!! Were NUMBER ONE YAAAA!!! :1place:
Quote from: dodj on March 26, 2020, 04:08:27 AM
Quote from: anlauto on March 25, 2020, 08:27:57 PM
Wow US is now over 1035 deaths :andyangel:
Not to belittle that in any way, but the seasonal flu caused (cdc estimate) 34000 deaths last year in the USA. I was shocked at the number when I first saw it when researching as best I could about corona and flu.
so far we are well below regular flu deaths but look at Italy, 10,000 in just a few months and we are 5x the population. We are a lot more spread out in most areas but still our number could go a lot higher.
If you take your countries total population and divide it by the current number of Covid-19 deaths....it gets real pretty quick seeing how it only really started 12 weeks ago....and we have a long way to go....
Canada: 35 deaths in 36 million people equals 1 in 1 million :dunno:
USA: 1054 deaths in 323 million people equals 1 in 306K :'(
Italy: 7500 deaths in 60.6 million people equals 1 in 8080 :o
...and those numbers get worse every minute worldwide :andyangel:
Quote from: anlauto on March 26, 2020, 09:43:18 AM
If you take your countries total population and divide it by the current number of Covid-19 deaths....it gets real pretty quick seeing how it only really started 12 weeks ago....and we have a long way to go....
Canada: 35 deaths in 36 million people equals 1 in 1 million :dunno:
USA: 1054 deaths in 323 million people equals 1 in 306K :'(
Italy: 7500 deaths in 60.6 million people equals 1 in 8080 :o
...and those numbers get worse every minute worldwide :andyangel:
And the numbers would be a lot worse if countries did not start taking preventative measures.
The flue this is NOT.
Maybe 12 - 18 months from now, when we have a vaccine, we can compare it to the regular flu.
How the population is distributed has A LOT to do with it. Boston, New York, Washington I suspect will be the worst hit area of the States. The prairie areas, probably get through it in good shape. Italy may have a lot less people but they are all fit into the space of Florida. So I suspect the USA will fare much better than Italy. Unless they go back to normal for Easter....which was suggested.
Then there is Canada. 10% of the USA's population, and our country is bigger, people a lot more spread out. Probably be one of the least impacted counties.
Just my unqualified :alan2cents:
How about Russia....1 in 72million right now.....that's more like the odds of winning the lottery :banana:
Quote from: anlauto on March 26, 2020, 10:01:32 AM
How about Russia....1 in 72million right now.....that's more like the odds of winning the lottery :banana:
Well Putin did give the citizens a choice, 15 days in home, or 5 years in prison...
Ben
Quote from: benlavigne on March 26, 2020, 10:43:30 AM
Quote from: anlauto on March 26, 2020, 10:01:32 AM
How about Russia....1 in 72million right now.....that's more like the odds of winning the lottery :banana:
Well Putin did give the citizens a choice, 15 days in home, or 5 years in prison...
Ben
Or be like his counter dictator, new numbers there only last an average of 1/2 hour :Thud:
I don`t trust the source ( NYTimes ) but not a good scenario if it`s true.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bE68xVXf8Kw
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The other countries have had it much longer than we have, the next 14-20 days will be very interesting.
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I wonder why Germany have so few deaths?
Quote from: soundcontrol on March 26, 2020, 04:03:29 PM
I wonder why Germany have so few deaths?
Lager :cheers: :notsure:
Quote from: anlauto on March 26, 2020, 09:43:18 AM
If you take your countries total population and divide it by the current number of Covid-19 deaths....it gets real pretty quick seeing how it only really started 12 weeks ago....and we have a long way to go....
Canada: 35 deaths in 36 million people equals 1 in 1 million :dunno:
USA: 1054 deaths in 323 million people equals 1 in 306K :'(
Italy: 7500 deaths in 60.6 million people equals 1 in 8080 :o
...and those numbers get worse every minute worldwide :andyangel:
I don't believe for a minute it only started 3 months ago...
November is now being passed around.
I have a friend that is a dentist. Early to mid 40s. Asian and (assume many Asian clients). He got sick early November with the flu so severe he was hospitalized for weeks. Even after release he requires oxygen.
I as well was horribly sick in early december. Assumed it was the "normal" flu as well.
This thing hit my lungs like a freight train. Couple days of going hmmm I think I am fighting something. Midday I felt it in my lungs and a cough started. By next day I was flat played out. Hardest hit and worst cough I have ever experienced. I am 58 btw.
As stated I have injection molds built primarily in Shenzhen. That is only 500 miles from ground zero Wuhan.
I had received many sample part deliveries at that time. They are all air freighted to arrive within 2 days... As is being learned the virus lives longer than that.
I plan on being first in line when the testing comes out for people to learn of past infections.
Yup: Honestly I don't believe anything involving China to have any truth to it.
Quote from: RUNCHARGER on March 26, 2020, 06:49:58 PM
Yup: Honestly I don't believe anything involving China to have any truth to it.
I had the Flu 10/2018. and went to the VA Palo Alto.
It went to Pneumonia right away. Then turned into COPD.
I was able to beat COPD by changing my lifestyle. But it's still there in dormancy.
This Covid 19 would be possibly fatal if I were to acquire it.
So many like me out there just like this. Be safe if you are a respiratory situation.
I also was pretty sick around Christmas. and I never get sick usually. Horrible headaches, fever and just down and out for 4-5 days in bed. That's just not me, I usually work thru just about anything. My son was also, can't help but wonder if we already had it? When I try and search if you can get it again once you have had it. It seems no one knows for sure. A family I know in Peru they all are on a strictly enforced government lockdown for 14 days, they just announced it's extended for another 15 days.
I still say sitting at home is just prolonging the inevitable as there is no medical solution. It's like a band-aid, rip it off slow or fast. Slow hopefully allows our medical systems to keep up and possibly time to come up with a medical solution. Everyone sitting at home for months on end will just tank our economies . The next month or 2 is not going to be pretty sorry to say. Maybe longer.... I'd say in 6 months from now not very many of us will be able to say we don't know anyone who died from this. It will touch us all. I hope I'm wrong. It is what it is, no point worrying about what you have no control over.
Quote from: Topcat on March 26, 2020, 07:23:58 PM
Quote from: RUNCHARGER on March 26, 2020, 06:49:58 PM
Yup: Honestly I don't believe anything involving China to have any truth to it.
I had the Flu 10/2018. and went to the VA Palo Alto.
It went to Pneumonia right away. Then turned into COPD.
I was able to beat COPD by changing my lifestyle. But it's still there in dormancy.
This Covid 19 would be possibly fatal if I were to acquire it.
So many like me out there just like this. Be safe if you are a respiratory situation.
I was diagnosed with COPD in 2017. So I'm in the same boat as you.
Quote from: 71-440 on March 26, 2020, 08:03:40 PM
Quote from: Topcat on March 26, 2020, 07:23:58 PM
Quote from: RUNCHARGER on March 26, 2020, 06:49:58 PM
Yup: Honestly I don't believe anything involving China to have any truth to it.
I had the Flu 10/2018. and went to the VA Palo Alto.
It went to Pneumonia right away. Then turned into COPD.
I was able to beat COPD by changing my lifestyle. But it's still there in dormancy.
This Covid 19 would be possibly fatal if I were to acquire it.
So many like me out there just like this. Be safe if you are a respiratory situation.
I was diagnosed with COPD in 2017. So I'm in the same boat as you.
I'm pretty sure whatever it was; was an earlier version of the COVID virus.
The coughing and pain was unreal.
I was out at a local county hospital today working and wearing a mask I picked up from Home Depot years ago. It is supposed to be N95 for construction workers. Sadly many hospital workers don't have anything on them. They simply don't have enough to go around when I asked them. They are rationing for the doctors and nurses that are close to patients. But you are going to have sick people walking in from the front doors and there are other workers in the hospital. These people are also at the front line every day helping others and they are also at risk. We are a Country with the biggest economy, best military and we got this kind of problem. I thought the army has tons of gears in stock to fight against chemical and biological wars and the stockpiles are just sitting somewhere in warehouses.
I've been made redundant from work. The orders stopped 2 months ago and they can't afford to keep the staff.
I'm self isolating at home with my wife and kids. There are road blocks everywhere now, the only fun I get is driving my wife to the supermarket in the Challenger. They can't stop that.
Quote from: 7212Mopar on March 26, 2020, 09:55:01 PM
They are rationing for the doctors and nurses that are close to patients.
One of my sons is a surgeon in his final year of residency. The hospital where he works has shut down "elective" procedures, so he's back to working in their trauma unit. Prior to this virus, on a normal day working in trauma he would go through about 10-15 surgical masks. With the supply rationing going on now, he is expected to use only one per day. Not good.
Great story... :no:
Fake coronavirus doctor's note from worker closed Hamilton McDonald's
The McDonald's location on Rymal Road closed after an employee faked having the coronavirus, police say.
An 18-year-old Hamilton woman is facing four charges after police say she faked having coronavirus to get out of work.
On March 21, CBC News reported that an employee at the McDonald's location at 20 Rymal Road East tested positive for the novel coronavirus, based on an email statement from a company spokesperson.
As management began working with Ontario Public Health to confirm the case, Hamilton Public Health Services learned of the incident through CBC News.
On March 23, police say it received information from officials about the employee, who handed in the forged medical information four days earlier.
The employee had previously worked on March 15, prompting the franchise to ask customers who were in that day to approach Ontario Public Health if they had any questions.
After receiving the note, the McDonald's restaurant closed, sent all employees home to self-isolate and had professional cleaning services sanitize the store.
"There has been a significant impact on the restaurant, local customers and employees which instigated the need for police involvement," the police release read.
The 18-year-old woman faces four charges:
Mischief over $5000.
Fraud under $5000.
Use a forged document.
Making a forged document.
She is set to appear in court on May 18.
....and so it begins....idiots.....
Quote from: anlauto on March 27, 2020, 06:49:28 AM
Great story... :no:
Fake coronavirus doctor's note from worker closed Hamilton McDonald's
The McDonald's location on Rymal Road closed after an employee faked having the coronavirus, police say.
An 18-year-old Hamilton woman is facing four charges after police say she faked having coronavirus to get out of work.
On March 21, CBC News reported that an employee at the McDonald's location at 20 Rymal Road East tested positive for the novel coronavirus, based on an email statement from a company spokesperson.
As management began working with Ontario Public Health to confirm the case, Hamilton Public Health Services learned of the incident through CBC News.
On March 23, police say it received information from officials about the employee, who handed in the forged medical information four days earlier.
The employee had previously worked on March 15, prompting the franchise to ask customers who were in that day to approach Ontario Public Health if they had any questions.
After receiving the note, the McDonald's restaurant closed, sent all employees home to self-isolate and had professional cleaning services sanitize the store.
"There has been a significant impact on the restaurant, local customers and employees which instigated the need for police involvement," the police release read.
The 18-year-old woman faces four charges:
Mischief over $5000.
Fraud under $5000.
Use a forged document.
Making a forged document.
She is set to appear in court on May 18.
....and so it begins....idiots.....
Moral of this story is that you cannot fix stupid. She is exact reason there are mandatory shutdowns. Stupid cannot be trusted or relied upon to do the proper things.
How about this fine example of a human?
https://www.cnn.com/2020/03/26/us/woman-coughed-on-produce-trnd/index.html
And the other night in a nearby town, police arrested a drunk and he then coughed on the officer and said "now you have the virus"
https://wgntv.com/news/dui-driver-screamed-he-had-corona-bacteria-while-coughing-on-officers-in-niles-police-say/
Local authorities are scrambling to release as many non violent offenders from lockup's because the jails are not healthy environments. May well be, but there is a reason these people need to be off the streets. Idiots....
Inmates health is more important than the safety of law abiding citizens here in CA thanks to Gavin. We have to deal with criminals and the virus at the same time. They also close down all the gun shops.
https://www.dmarge.com/2020/03/mythbusters-contamination-experiment.html?fbclid=IwAR0mdqSAN6hePWIFBXSG9c4Ft24fUK0WupquY6ZLA44eY0TkgBJdtCKfAiQ
Quote from: 7212Mopar on March 27, 2020, 09:52:50 AM
We have to deal with criminals and the virus at the same time. They also close down all the gun shops.
You don't want to deal with an armed recently released criminal do you?
Criminals with records cannot get firearms from law abiding gun shops. More like dealing with an armed criminals holding a kitchen knife.
Then there is this..... :Thud: closed the border he said.... ya ok?
https://flightaware.com/live/flight/CES581/history/20200327/0530Z/ZSPD/CYVR?fbclid=IwAR3HxYYyWb-yy4XzFRJq4MayGM2MtpuF4BvMmiIrjZhqPGcx9y_392DVTgA
https://flightaware.com/live/findflight/ZSPD/CYVR
Quote from: Topcat on March 27, 2020, 10:46:52 AM
https://www.dmarge.com/2020/03/mythbusters-contamination-experiment.html?fbclid=IwAR0mdqSAN6hePWIFBXSG9c4Ft24fUK0WupquY6ZLA44eY0TkgBJdtCKfAiQ
Thanks for posting that. Very interesting. Always liked watching Mythbusters.
Quote from: 7212Mopar on March 27, 2020, 09:52:50 AM
Inmates health is more important than the safety of law abiding citizens here in CA thanks to Gavin. We have to deal with criminals and the virus at the same time. They also close down all the gun shops.
Unfortunately true.
Where else better a place to prevent transmission of virus than in an isolated lock up. Keep them separated. No common areas and provide food to their cells.
Isn't that the same thing we are having to do within our homes? They are in for a reason. Much like I am out for the opposite reasons...
Quote from: 7212Mopar on March 27, 2020, 08:41:09 PM
Criminals with records cannot get firearms from law abiding gun shops.
I understand, my comment was meant to be tongue in cheek. I should have put a smiley in there. :drinkingbud:
Let's move the quarantine situation ahead a few months. Last summer we rented an Airbnb on a lake up north. We want to do the same again this year but won't that expose us to possible community spread from the people that used the cabin before us? How long before all is safe again?
Quote from: anlauto on March 25, 2020, 08:27:57 PM
Wow US is now over 1035 deaths :andyangel:
Almost 2000 now three days later :o
Germany, it's not the lager, after all...
https://www.businessinsider.com/germany-why-coronavirus-death-rate-lower-italy-spain-test-healthcare-2020-3?utm_medium=social&utm_source=facebook.com&utm_campaign=sf-bi-ti&r=US&IR=T
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/#countries
Yikes, +19k new cases today. Buckle up boys & girls.
Mortality rate in Italy is creeping up to 11%...
Quote from: GoodysGotaCuda on March 28, 2020, 04:40:56 PM
Mortality rate in Italy is creeping up to 11%...
If what I'm reading is right, they are mainly testing people with the more severe symptoms, not the more mild cases that may be corona (the more survivable cases)
So, if true, that would skew the mortality rate.
Scary regardless.
Quote from: anlauto on March 28, 2020, 02:10:06 PM
Quote from: anlauto on March 25, 2020, 08:27:57 PM
Wow US is now over 1035 deaths :andyangel:
Almost 2000 now three days later :o
Jesus...USA is up over 200 since I checked it 5 hours ago :andyangel: Now at 2227
As morbid as it sounds, I've been watching the "death count" and how fast it's rising...USA is now in fourth place already, passing Iran and France which were supposed to be some of the worst hit areas.... :o
USA is up to 2810 already in just a couple of weeks or so.....so I sure hope this social distancing starts to work pretty soon.... :fingerscrossed:
Canada is sitting at 70 or one in every 500K Canadians :andyangel:
Trumps stated it could be as many as 100,000 deaths in the USA, let's hope that doesn't prove true.
Just watching the news and they say that the deaths in China might be a fake number, they suspect it could be x 10.
Quote from: soundcontrol on March 30, 2020, 01:28:35 PM
Just watching the news and they say that the deaths in China might be a fake number, they suspect it could be x 10.
" MIGHT" :haha: ya think? The Chinese government, not being truthful? ::) Same with Russia no doubt.
Quote from: Brads70 on March 30, 2020, 01:32:16 PM
Quote from: soundcontrol on March 30, 2020, 01:28:35 PM
Just watching the news and they say that the deaths in China might be a fake number, they suspect it could be x 10.
" MIGHT" :haha: ya think? The Chinese government, not being truthful? ::) Same with Russia no doubt.
"How many people died in #Wuhan and #China?
Conservative estimation based on numbers of urns being given out at 8 crematoriums in Wuhan by financial analyst @charles984681
Total death in Wuhan: 59K
Total death in China: 97K
Total infection in China: 1.21 M#CCPVirus #COVID2019"
Quote from: anlauto on March 30, 2020, 12:19:55 PM
As morbid as it sounds, I've been watching the "death count" and how fast it's rising...USA is now in fourth place already, passing Iran and France which were supposed to be some of the worst hit areas.... :o
USA is up to 2810 already in just a couple of weeks or so.....so I sure hope this social distancing starts to work pretty soon.... :fingerscrossed:
Canada is sitting at 70 or one in every 500K Canadians :andyangel:
The US is eighteen times as big as France & six times as big as Iran.... For now I think we're doing Ok... New York has the bulk of the cases and with their population density and welcoming of world travelers since this has begun it's not to surprising...
I know it's all relative to the size and population of the countries, but it seems to be moving very fast now... :andyangel:
Quote from: anlauto on March 30, 2020, 02:35:53 PM
I know it's all relative to the size and population of the countries, but it seems to be moving very fast now... :andyangel:
I 100% agree.. Scary... Looks like it's gonna last longer than most stuff made in China... Thanks China...
Quote from: 1 Wild R/T on March 30, 2020, 02:42:43 PM
Quote from: anlauto on March 30, 2020, 02:35:53 PM
I know it's all relative to the size and population of the countries, but it seems to be moving very fast now... :andyangel:
I 100% agree.. Scary... Looks like it's gonna last longer than most stuff made in China... Thanks China...
We are in for a very difficult couple of weeks. With that said there were three pieces of good news today:
1) Abbott Labs quick test kit. This is huge.
2) FDA approved the malaria drug for use with Coronavirus
3). Johnson & Johnson committed 1B dollars time build factory to produce a vaccine. They are so confidant they will be successful with the vaccine they are preparing the factory now. Expect the vaccine to be shipping by Jan 2021.
One other good news I heard:
Washington state is showing a down turn in new cases reporting.
Models are saying if we didn't shut down like we are there could be 1.6-2.2 million deaths! We all need to take the stay at home/ social distancing very serious.
SF Bay Area quarrantin now continues to May 1st. This is going to hurt.
Quote from: 7212Mopar on March 31, 2020, 12:06:26 AM
SF Bay Area quarrantin now continues to May 1st. This is going to hurt.
Virginia just announced lock down until June 10.
Short term pain will pay off.
We need to slow this thing down until they can get the treatments and vaccine out.
It is good to see Italy finally slowing down.
To think I used to hate grocery shopping for my wife and I. Now we're shopping for 3 other houses....Gotta be done but wow do I ever dread shopping now. People think I'm hoarding. :bricks:
Quote from: kdcarman on March 31, 2020, 06:01:59 AM
Quote from: 7212Mopar on March 31, 2020, 12:06:26 AM
SF Bay Area quarrantin now continues to May 1st. This is going to hurt.
Virginia just announced lock down until June 10.
Guess I`ll cancel our April vacation plans to Virginia now. :crying: June 10th seems a bit far out, I would think take it a 2-4 weeks at a time and see how things go. :notsure:
Quote from: torredcuda on March 31, 2020, 10:26:18 AM
Quote from: kdcarman on March 31, 2020, 06:01:59 AM
Quote from: 7212Mopar on March 31, 2020, 12:06:26 AM
SF Bay Area quarrantin now continues to May 1st. This is going to hurt.
Virginia just announced lock down until June 10.
Guess I`ll cancel our April vacation plans to Virginia now. :crying: June 10th seems a bit far out, I would think take it a 2-4 weeks at a time and see how things go. :notsure:
I agree with the stay at home orders. Actually surprised it took New York and Florida so long.
As for Virginia, I don't know why you would just issue an order until the end of April, then reassess
The state responses are all over the board.
Compare Virginia and Florida.
Any word on Pennsylvania ? Do will still think Carlisle is a go ? 100 days from now :banana:
I think one month from now would be a good time to reassess things. It looks like N.Y. is really taking it on the chin right now.
Today they announced all Ontario schools are closed until at least May 4th :drunk:
Density is the enemy. New York and surrounding areas. Los Angeles. Two of the worst places for it. Washington was just an unfortunate scenario with an infected health care worker working multiple sites.
New York was waaay too slow in enacting proper measures.
Now New Orleans is the hot bed. Can you say Mardi Gras mid February... Another state who took issue to lightly. Am sure the major $$$ from it played in that stupidity...
Also in reference to China and Russia not being honest. How about Japan. Their count was almost nil but the numbers skyrocketed as soon as the Olympics were cancelled. Lying bastards!
Quote from: YellowThumper on March 31, 2020, 12:16:36 PM
Density is the enemy. New York and surrounding areas. Los Angeles. Two of the worst places for it. Washington was just an unfortunate scenario with an infected health care worker working multiple sites.
New York was waaay too slow in enacting proper measures.
Now New Orleans is the hot bed. Can you say Mardi Gras mid February... Another state who took issue to lightly. Am sure the major $$$ from it played in that stupidity...
Also in reference to China and Russia not being honest. How about Japan. Their count was almost nil but the numbers skyrocketed as soon as the Olympics were cancelled. Lying bastards!
New York was way toooo slow to react. Chicago schools and lock down happened before New York. (How could that be?)
Florida Governor has done nothing - did not close the beaches. Would not order a lock down because people needed to work. WTF! Florida is going to turn into a mess.
New Orleans had Mardi Gras and another Governor that did nothing.
Washington - also had an usher infected at a football game. That person spread the disease as well.
Hopefully the ugly is behind us in two months.
Coumo has high approval ratings for his handling of this. :looney: Sanctuary state is working well for us. :headbang:
And now my job is on a national lockdown "Federal Bureau of Prisons". This will be fun walking into today. :Thud:
https://news.yahoo.com/federal-prison-officials-order-system-234434992.html
FFS, April 1 and there is snow about 20 feet above us. Quarantine today it is.
Quote from: anlauto on March 31, 2020, 10:59:54 AM
Any word on Pennsylvania ? Do will still think Carlisle is a go ? 100 days from now :banana:
It's now a stay-at-home order state wide.. The count is going up fast for all counties..I'm looking at the projected 100-200 thousand death predictions nation wide and wonder just how bad it's going to get here..If NYC is stating the curve won't hit there until late april and our state is behind that then it's not looking good for even July unless some type of miracle cure happens...
Quote from: screamindriver on April 01, 2020, 06:41:25 PM
Quote from: anlauto on March 31, 2020, 10:59:54 AM
Any word on Pennsylvania ? Do will still think Carlisle is a go ? 100 days from now :banana:
It's now a stay-at-home order state wide.. The count is going up fast for all counties..I'm looking at the projected 100-200 thousand death predictions nation wide and wonder just how bad it's going to get here..If NYC is stating the curve won't hit there until late april and our state is behind that then it's not looking good for even July unless some type of miracle cure happens...
Have they closed your schools, parks, playgrounds etc...? Our schools are closed until at least May 4th
Quote from: anlauto on April 01, 2020, 06:50:07 PM
Quote from: screamindriver on April 01, 2020, 06:41:25 PM
Quote from: anlauto on March 31, 2020, 10:59:54 AM
Any word on Pennsylvania ? Do will still think Carlisle is a go ? 100 days from now :banana:
It's now a stay-at-home order state wide.. The count is going up fast for all counties..I'm looking at the projected 100-200 thousand death predictions nation wide and wonder just how bad it's going to get here..If NYC is stating the curve won't hit there until late april and our state is behind that then it's not looking good for even July unless some type of miracle cure happens...
Have they closed your schools, parks, playgrounds etc...? Our schools are closed until at least May 4th
Schools closed through May 4th here in TX, but I fully expect kids won't see a school until the next school year.
I think people will be taken back by the fact the "national stockpile" is pretty much depleted, per Trump's discussion today. The US has dilly-dallied long enough that the damage has very likely been done and it's simply a waiting game to see how overwhelmed we will become. I just really hope we are able to take better care of our hospital workers and keep them healthy with the proper equipment.
This is going to be a bumpy 2-4 weeks.
The dust from all this won't settle for things to get back to somewhat normal until at least mid June. :console: :Thud:
California: Quoted next 2 weeks as "Horrific"
It is funny how all the news only reports how many deaths. Nobody reports on the TEN'S of Thousands of people who survive. They also Never tell you the pre existing conditions of the dead. Elderly people and people who have heart-lung or kidney disease make up most of the fatalities. All this doom and gloom is being shoved it our faces for no reason. Covid 19 is not Ebola. It is just another flu. EVERY flu season tens of thousands of people die. This year alone the flu seasons which starts in October has claimed over 30,000 people. No news media reports that. H1N1 had over 60 Million cases with over 18,000 death. Guess what there was no shortage of Toilet paper then. Let keep things in perspective here. There is a lot more going on here that just a flu.
We had to cancel our yearly trip to PA last week because of all this panic. My Sister still lives there and is a NP ( Nurse Practitioner) she has been seeing 100 people a day. They got hit hard because of all the New Yorkers and New Jerseryers who live in PA and commute or have summer homes there and brought Covid 10 with them. They came in and bought out all the supplies out of the local stores. I think Carlisle has a chance of still going on but it all depends on how fast they can contain the spread and get a cure distributed.
JS27
My Mom called yesterday, sister and brother in law have it, he was in the hospital with pneumonia and 105 temp but was sent home after a day due to no beds. He`s doing a bit better with meds but we are still worried, he`s 69 or 70 yrs old, good health but starting alzhemers. They live in Mass north of Boston, think one of their kids brought it home.
Quote from: torredcuda on April 02, 2020, 09:46:05 AM
My Mom called yesterday, sister and brother in law have it, he was in the hospital with pneumonia and 105 temp but was sent home after a day due to no beds. He`s doing a bit better with meds but we are still worried, he`s 69 or 70 yrs old, good health but starting alzhemers. They live in Mass north of Boston, think one of their kids brought it home.
:thumbdown: Sorry to hear this Jeff.
Sorry Torred. Our old folks homes here are germ factories with lots of deaths. Our govt. seems to have a hate for old folks so they are doing nothing to protect them.
There has been 50,000 deaths in four months, USA had 1000 deaths yesterday alone and it's spreading around the world faster then anybody expected and there's no magic cure in the short term future. :dunno:
So I think there IS a slight reason all this "doom and gloom is being shoved in our faces", and if we ignore it and go about our daily routine.... sadly enough I'm afraid it will catch up to all of us at some point. :alan2cents:
I think we'll beat it okay but we're going to have casualties obviously. The important thing though going forward is to rethink who you are doing trade with in the future. Treat your friendly countries better and stop dealing with unfriendly countries. Not to get political but there's no need to keep buying shiploads of crap from other continents when we can make everything we need right here on our own continent.
:thinking: I'm really torn on this one. I get that stay in slows the spread. Are we going to shut the economy off until we find a cure? If we stop/slow the spread for now then when we are free to go again we start all over again? Ant with all due respect to the rest of the world, I really have a problem with arresting people for having an engagement party or church service, or whatever else. Does the Constitution not mean anything anymore? We can even agree that it may be a bad idea to gather but that's another topic.😒 Definitely some crazy times.
Our state has been on stay at home orders for a couple of weeks and went from single digit cases to almost 500. I talked to a young lady in Arizona they were not under stay at home orders and went from 44 cases to 940 in a week. So staying in sees to help. Even here though after two weeks I think people have had their fill. A lot of people out and about. I am because my job is considered essential, for now. :dunno:
What kills me is you lock yourself away as much as possible but you still have to go out for supplies at some point.... Every time you go to a market there's a risk factor & your waiting period for symptoms begins again....
Currently there are 44 confirmed cases in my county...
I've been trying to gather enough that we can truly isolate later when things really spike...
Currently I'm going stir crazy & it hasn't gotten real serious yet... Momma has always been happy staying at home so not much effect on her other than getting angry with me if I leave cause I'm not just risking my health...
Lets see how we are doing in a few weeks, a month................................
Yup: Momma is used to staying home, I'm not.
I kind of think this is an experiment by the Chinese so see how well it works keeping us inside and shutting down business. I wouldn't doubt they have a worse virus planned for us in the future.
Here is how Sweden deals with the situation, no lockdown, pre-schools and schools up to High School are open, College and universities are having their classes over the internet. Restaurant open with some restrictions. Good or bad...time will tell. At least it dosen't totally crash our economy right now.
https://www.aier.org/article/what-sweden-has-done-right-on-coronavirus/
"None of this existed in any other pandemic we went through." We haven't gone through a pandemic of this magnitude in our lifetime...
SARS lasted two years and only 774 people worldwide died
In 12 months H1N1 took 151K lives
Covid-19 is already at 52K deaths in what 4-5 months ?
This is some serious shit... :alan2cents:
Up North in Bobcaygeon ON the Covid-19 got into a nursing home 17 people have died in the last week or so :andyangel: ....Can you imagine your Mother or Father dying alone in a place like that and you're not allowed to visit with them whatsoever :crying:
Yup: It went rampant through a bunch of old folks homes in the Vancouver area. Obviously transmitted by a supplier, Janitorial service or something of that ilk. Govt. seems okay with it though although they are worried about all the convicts in jail. The way Canaduh treats it's pensioners I think they are happy with the sooner the retirees die off the less CPP and OAS they have to pay out. I think about 80-85% or B.C.s deaths are at old folks germ factories.
I've had a few weeks of loose ends at work with most if not all employees already off...I'm not around anyone,office is isolated from the shop so people can come and go without interaction...Technically we are closed...Last Friday was my" last" day being self imposed simply because too many drifters were popping in the shop seeing the doors were open from whatever I was doing..So much for staying safe.
Which brings me to the point. Even with all the news events,exponential cases daily, and the social distancing orders, people still don't seem to be taking this seriously around here.
Now, my wife and I don't go anywhere together to limit the possible exposure to one person.. And today was grocery day so it's mask,gloves and a heightened awareness of where people are and what you're in contact with...The stuff comes home, unrefrigerated items get quarantined for days before being handled.. All essential or refrigerated items get the disinfecting wipe down and some still gets transferred to other containers...Clothes get washed after proper handling immediately...And it's back to life around our property with no interaction other than us two..
And she's telling me there's still people at the store with no protection at all having a reunion within feet of each other like nothing's wrong out there... Maybe I'm over reacting but when literally your life is at stake I'm thinking not ???
Best case for us is no virus contamination and a possible medicine or vaccine in the future... Worst case is doing everything correct, still getting it a few weeks from now and become a statistic from no medical supplies,beds,ventilators, and croaking in the street somewhere..You can't help but think the smart ones were the ones that got it and the help when they could in that scenario...
Quote from: screamindriver on April 02, 2020, 06:52:52 PM
I've had a few weeks of loose ends at work with most if not all employees already off...I'm not around anyone,office is isolated from the shop so people can come and go without interaction...Technically we are closed...Last Friday was my" last" day being self imposed simply because too many drifters were popping in the shop seeing the doors were open from whatever I was doing..So much for staying safe.
Which brings me to the point. Even with all the news events,exponential cases daily, and the social distancing orders, people still don't seem to be taking this seriously around here.
Now, my wife and I don't go anywhere together to limit the possible exposure to one person.. And today was grocery day so it's mask,gloves and a heightened awareness of where people are and what you're in contact with...The stuff comes home, unrefrigerated items get quarantined for days before being handled.. All essential or refrigerated items get the disinfecting wipe down and some still gets transferred to other containers...Clothes get washed after proper handling immediately...And it's back to life around our property with no interaction other than us two..
And she's telling me there's still people at the store with no protection at all having a reunion within feet of each other like nothing's wrong out there... Maybe I'm over reacting but when literally your life is at stake I'm thinking not ???
Best case for us is no virus contamination and a possible medicine or vaccine in the future... Worst case is doing everything correct, still getting it a few weeks from now and become a statistic from no medical supplies,beds,ventilators, and croaking in the street somewhere..You can't help but think the smart ones were the ones that got it and the help when they could in that scenario...
This is
exactly what Italy has been trying to tell us for weeks now, and here we are. We are extremely strict around our place when it comes to interaction and wiping things out, despite not being "high risk" individuals. The numbers are going to be staggering at this rate and when the general population comes around to realizing it, it's far too late.
Mortality Rates:
France: 9.1%
Spain: 9.2%
Italy: 12.1%
US: 2.5%
The US will be right there at 10% within the next 10-14 days. From what I understand, those are huge numbers in terms of virus deaths in this day and age.
A few weeks ago Toronto and most other cites closed their public parks, playgrounds, beaches etc..."asking" people to stay away from any gatherings and six feet apart from other people....that didn't work so they started locking gates, roping off playgrounds, basket ball courts etc..tonight on the news...the mayor was pissed because people were cutting the locks and removing the caution tape :looney: So now, it's a minimum $750 fine for anybody congregating in those city -run areas Some people just don't get it :'(
Quote from: anlauto on April 02, 2020, 05:19:13 PM
Covid-19 is already at 52K deaths in what 4-5 months ?
A chinese person where my wife works was in Hubei province in November. She said they were quarantined in China then....not that you heard it in the news here.
So probably started in Sept-Oct?
Just this morning our local news reported that we have had 5 deaths in the Lowcountry part of my state. That covers about 1/3 of the entire state. ALL 5 death were elderly people. ALL 5 people had other serious medical conditions-Heart -lung disease and cancer. I do not look at death rate from countries that have socialized medicine. The US has the best medical facilities anywhere in the world. Yes it may be expensive but medical care is readily available to all who need it. In my town alone of 65,000 people we have several hospitals and urgent care offices everywhere. I have 3 within 5 minutes from my home. Not sure if any of you saw the Netflix series called PANDEMIC. It was released about 3 months ago and my wife and I watched it. Turns out that the medical crew that was featured in that series has come up with a Cure for Covid 19. It has to go through human testing yet but they feel it will work. Kind of strange they released this series and only 3 months later we have a pandemic and they come up with a cure..I still say that the US will come no where near the predicted 100-200,000 deaths. I hope I am Right.
https://americanupdate.com/articles/researcher-featured-in-netflix-special-pandemic-announces-potential-cure-for-coronavirus
JS27
Quote from: js27 on April 03, 2020, 06:11:48 AM
Yes it may be expensive but medical care is readily available to all who need it.
I hope you are right, but it is unlikely to keep up. Nobody's healthcare system is designed for mass hospitalization.
IMO, the public systems will fare better because they should be coordinated better rather than individual hospitals/jurisdictions looking out for themselves.
In about three months we will find out which way worked the best, hopefully they both do a good job.
I was reading an article today that Canaduh is already planning who to save and who to let die off. So I think we are going to see supplies and infrastructure used at their limits, better get ready to say your goodbyes to the older folk.
Quote from: RUNCHARGER on April 03, 2020, 07:37:54 AM
I was reading an article today that Canaduh is already planning who to save and who to let die off.
I believe every countries health professionals are discussing this. It's a horrible thing to contemplate, but if/when things get really bad, that decision, no matter how difficult, has to be made. I'm glad it's not me making those decisions.
I'm sure those decisions are already taking place in Italy, Spain and USA.
I would not be surprised! :no:
Quote from: RUNCHARGER on April 03, 2020, 07:37:54 AM
I was reading an article today that Canaduh is already planning who to save and who to let die off. So I think we are going to see supplies and infrastructure used at their limits, better get ready to say your goodbyes to the older folk.
We are the older folk... :bye: :haha:
You're just a puppy Alan.
Quote from: anlauto on April 03, 2020, 08:49:32 AM
Quote from: RUNCHARGER on April 03, 2020, 07:37:54 AM
I was reading an article today that Canaduh is already planning who to save and who to let die off. So I think we are going to see supplies and infrastructure used at their limits, better get ready to say your goodbyes to the older folk.
We are the older folk... :bye: :haha:
What's your definition of older?
I used to think 50 was old, now I'm leaning more towards 90 being old.....
To answer the original question: Quarantine or not?
Quarantine :vipermanhiding: :deadhorse:
NOT! :no:
Quote from: CudaMoparRay on April 03, 2020, 04:24:03 PM
To answer the original question: Quarantine or not?
Quarantine :vipermanhiding: :deadhorse:
Agree
Quote from: CudaMoparRay on April 03, 2020, 04:24:03 PM
To answer the original question: Quarantine or not?
Quarantine :vipermanhiding: :deadhorse:
but for how long? They are finding certain drugs to help but vaccine could be 12-18 months away.
Quote from: CudaMoparRay on April 03, 2020, 04:24:03 PM
To answer the original question: Quarantine or not?
Quarantine :vipermanhiding: :deadhorse:
Depends on your situation.
You self isolate (quarantine) if you are covid positive, exhibit symptoms, or were in contact with somebody with covid.
Otherwise you practice social distancing with all that entails.
Quote from: anlauto on March 28, 2020, 07:17:42 PM
Quote from: anlauto on March 28, 2020, 02:10:06 PM
Quote from: anlauto on March 25, 2020, 08:27:57 PM
Wow US is now over 1035 deaths :andyangel:
Almost 2000 now three days later :o
Jesus...USA is up over 200 since I checked it 5 hours ago :andyangel: Now at 2227
So in seven days USA is now at 8283 deaths :andyangel: 800 or so a day.... :o
Quote from: torredcuda on April 04, 2020, 11:22:46 AM
Quote from: CudaMoparRay on April 03, 2020, 04:24:03 PM
To answer the original question: Quarantine or not?
Quarantine :vipermanhiding: :deadhorse:
but for how long? They are finding certain drugs to help but vaccine could be 12-18 months away.
Quarantine (stay at home) = no brainer
1) Italy
2) Spain
3) New York
4) China - hard time convincing me only 3200 died
I expect we are on stay at home orders (NY, FL, IL, MI, TX, etc) until mid May.
Prediction: Mid May they start reducing the restrictions. Just like when they went to lock down, first no groups over 1000, then no groups over 500, then no groups over 10. I expect the same process will be followed in reverse.
Next: They are preparing for the next mass behavior change. Everyone in public wearing a mask.
I am hopeful we are back to some sense of normalcy by July 1. Baseball season July 1 start-up if we are lucky.
In the meantime, the people in my thoughts are the sick, health care workers, police/fireman and everyone else required to serve the public. The real hero's in this thing, while I am forced to stay home work, watch TV, eat and drink - waiting it out. My deal is not so bad.
At a minimum we owe it to them to stay home.
Well said :worship:
On a positive note we are making sheet metal parts for a customer involved with making ventilators so at least I feel a little better about having to go into work.
UPRISING coming....Ontario is keeping the liquor/beer stores open but closing all the new legal pot shops :looney: :pullinghair: :pullinghair:
This seems to have you upset Alan. Is there something we don't know about you? :pokeeye:
And Corona is closing down production.
https://www.cnbc.com/2020/04/03/mexico-stops-brewing-corona-beer-deemed-non-essential-in-epidemic.html
Quote from: torredcuda on April 04, 2020, 04:14:37 PM
On a positive note we are making sheet metal parts for a customer involved with making ventilators so at least I feel a little better about having to go into work.
Where I work also. Medical engineering and product firm. We have many new and massively ramped up projects specifically for Covid-19 treatments.
Isolated and working from home but extremely busy time for me now.
Not a compaint...
As of today our state has 44 deaths in the last 3 months from this virus. We have more deaths per day from Traffic Accidents. We are not on a full lock down like some other states. Hell I was at Lowe's twice yesterday for a landscaping project I am doing at home and it was packed. People who are off work are using this time to do their home projects that they never get time to do when they are working. I think it is a state by states decision. Certain states have way more cases then we do and they chose lock down-SC not so much-Schools are closed and restaurants and all public activities are closed. I am still working and have to admit I LOVE the traffic that is NOT on the roads now. My 30 mile compute normally takes 60 to 90 minutes to get home and now I am home in 22 minutes. If there is a plus to this virus then this is it. I have to say NO to quarantine but as I said it differs from state to state.
JS27
Quote from: js27 on April 06, 2020, 06:11:47 AM
Hell I was at Lowe's twice yesterday for a landscaping project I am doing at home and it was packed.
Well you are likely to follow the pattern of other places that don't follow social distancing and it will be more painful for SC in a short while.
You don't have to quarantine, just keep your distance from others. With the USA racking up more deaths per day than anywhere else in the world, that should be incentive enough.
If I need something from a store and the parking lot is full, I go at another time.
Anyone hear about the guy who was arrested for paddle boarding alone in the ocean in California?
Quote from: dodj on April 06, 2020, 06:34:49 AM
Quote from: js27 on April 06, 2020, 06:11:47 AM
Hell I was at Lowe's twice yesterday for a landscaping project I am doing at home and it was packed.
Well you are likely to follow the pattern of other places that don't follow social distancing and it will be more painful for SC in a short while.
You don't have to quarantine, just keep your distance from others. With the USA racking up more deaths per day than anywhere else in the world, that should be incentive enough.
If I need something from a store and the parking lot is full, I go at another time.
The latest from South Carolina:
South Carolina is reporting 1,700 confirmed cases of COVID-19 and 34 deaths associated with the virus, according to the state's
This is how it starts, I am really happy Illinois shut down early. Hopeful we don't become NY. Illinois actually shut down schools and the state before NY. Let's see what happens in Florida. SC will likely face the same upward curve as all states.
Quote from: kdcarman on April 06, 2020, 07:09:21 AM
Quote from: dodj on April 06, 2020, 06:34:49 AM
Quote from: js27 on April 06, 2020, 06:11:47 AM
Hell I was at Lowe's twice yesterday for a landscaping project I am doing at home and it was packed.
Well you are likely to follow the pattern of other places that don't follow social distancing and it will be more painful for SC in a short while.
You don't have to quarantine, just keep your distance from others. With the USA racking up more deaths per day than anywhere else in the world, that should be incentive enough.
If I need something from a store and the parking lot is full, I go at another time.
The latest from South Carolina:
South Carolina is reporting 1,700 confirmed cases of COVID-19 and 34 deaths associated with the virus, according to the state's
This is how it starts, I am really happy Illinois shut down early. Hopeful we don't become NY. Illinois actually shut down schools and the state before NY. Let's see what happens in Florida. SC will likely face the same upward curve as all states.
Not sure where you get your info but here in SC as of this morning we had 44 deaths. I guess time will tell and one side will be telling the other side SEE I TOLD YOU SO. People are acting like this is the Black Plaque or Ebola. It is nothing more than a bad Flu. No where the numbers of H1N1 or Sars or Mer --yet ? Not sure about other countries but the big to do in the USA is because it is a Election Year. People who live here know what I am talking about.
By the way Lowe's was practicing Social Distancing. They had Blue Squares on the floor at the check out that were 6 feet apart and said Stand Here.
JS27
SARS lasted two years and killed 770 people around the world, Covid-19 is killing on average 800 people a day in the USA alone.... and almost at 77,000 deaths so far world wide :alan2cents:
And from the Left coast...
"It is nothing more than a bad Flu."
This is 100% a wrong statement.
This thing is minimally 10 times more deadly then the flu.
This thing is waaaaayyyyy more contagious then the flu.
A bad flu would not overwhelm our healthcare system.
It is going to be scary when it hits third world countries
The WHO has called this thing a pandemic globally because it is a bad flu.
The New York Times is filled with pages of obituaries.
Many pages of obituaries are starting to fill the Chicago papers.
More contagious than a flu because its a man made bio weapon.
Quote from: mopartaz on April 06, 2020, 10:52:12 AM
More contagious than a flu because its a man made bio weapon.
Though theories that the virus was bioengineered and then escaped from a bioweapon research lab have been widely debunked by the scientific community, there is growing evidence it did escape from an infectious disease research facility. If that turns out to be true, it will prove to be China's Chernobyl. :alan2cents:
https://www.nationalreview.com/2020/04/coronavirus-china-trail-leading-back-to-wuhan-labs/
https://www.sciencenews.org/article/coronavirus-covid-19-not-human-made-lab-genetic-analysis-nature
Wife's sister just tested positive but not surprised as she is a flight attendant.
Quote from: anlauto on April 02, 2020, 05:25:34 PM
Up North in Bobcaygeon ON the Covid-19 got into a nursing home 17 people have died in the last week or so :andyangel: ....Can you imagine your Mother or Father dying alone in a place like that and you're not allowed to visit with them whatsoever :crying:
Only 5 days have past since I wrote this and the number of deaths has climbed to 27 in this one building alone... :andyangel:
Quote from: anlauto on April 07, 2020, 04:38:33 AM
Quote from: anlauto on April 02, 2020, 05:25:34 PM
Up North in Bobcaygeon ON the Covid-19 got into a nursing home 17 people have died in the last week or so :andyangel: ....Can you imagine your Mother or Father dying alone in a place like that and you're not allowed to visit with them whatsoever :crying:
Only 5 days have past since I wrote this and the number of deaths has climbed to 27 in this one building alone... :andyangel:
That is terrible but Older people tend to have more health problems and therefore at at the greatest rick. My Mom is 92 and still in very good health ( for her age) but I doubt she would survive this. Thankfully she still lives in her own house. The county I live in has over 300 cases and 1 death ( also a elderly person with pre existing health problems). Lets put things in perspective. The US has a little over 10,000 death. 10,000 may sound like a lot but you are talking about a population of 350 Million. I did some research last night and found that in the US 800,000 die every year from heart disease-that is 2191 people a day. 36,000 die in car accidents. That is almost 100 people a day. I am not trying to down play this virus but it is not the end of days like the media is trying to push. It is more sensationalism than anything else. Proof is in the putting that you only here the number of deaths on the news and never hear the number of recoveries--WHY is that you have to ask.
JS27
I agree the media is certainly trying to bring it to everybody's attention and making it a worldwide concern...I see South Carolina is only up 4 deaths since yesterday so that's really no big deal whatsoever....and New York, being one of your largest cities, has had to actual only deal with 4758 deaths so far, I guess that is pretty reasonable seeing how most of them are old and were going to die anyways ! :drinkingbud:
February just called, they want their "this is just a bad case of the flu" argument back! ::)
They don't build field hospitals every year for flu, in fact 1918 was the last time they did that I'm aware of. Or clear out the hospitals by canceling elective surgeries etc to make room for an influx of car accident victims or heart attacks.
My mom is in an assisted living place and so far 5 cases and 2 deaths, but all in all they do seem to be doing a good job there keeping things under control as 4 of the cases all were announced over 2 weeks ago. The 5th case, and death, was at the hospital but I don't know if he contracted it at the assisted living center or in the hospital.
She's on the first floor with a patio, so I was able to go there Saturday to drop off a flower planter on her patio and chat for a few minutes from a distance, which is better than nothing at least.
Ben Shapiros Sunday night show had a very interesting interviews with several prominent health experts and a famous economist, and the health experts suggested that vulnerable populations such as seniors might not be able to go out until next year. My mom is 86, I can't imagine her having to go another year without being able to go out to a movie, concert, dinner or family event...
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=A7GtUE5sx-Y
I turned off the mainstream "news" 25 years ago due to hype an sensationalism but I really think the experts are correct that if we let this virus run it`s course without all these extreme measures the death toll could have been 5-10x worse than what it is going to be. It is not just affecting elderly with health conditions and a lot more contagous than the flu.
Quote from: js27 on April 07, 2020, 06:13:24 AM
That is terrible but Older people tend to have more health problems and therefore at at the greatest rick. My Mom is 92 and still in very good health ( for her age) but I doubt she would survive this. Thankfully she still lives in her own house. The county I live in has over 300 cases and 1 death ( also a elderly person with pre existing health problems). Lets put things in perspective. The US has a little over 10,000 death. 10,000 may sound like a lot but you are talking about a population of 350 Million. I did some research last night and found that in the US 800,000 die every year from heart disease-that is 2191 people a day. 36,000 die in car accidents. That is almost 100 people a day. I am not trying to down play this virus but it is not the end of days like the media is trying to push. It is more sensationalism than anything else. Proof is in the putting that you only here the number of deaths on the news and never hear the number of recoveries--WHY is that you have to ask.
JS27
Yes, let's put things in perspective. If we had practiced the stay at home policy 24/7 as we are now we wouldn't have been losing 100 people a day in car accidents. You aren't comparing apples to apples.
U.S. Coronavirus Hospitalizations Lower than Predicted: NY Marks 75% Drop
The number of people hospitalized across the United States as a result of the novel coronavirus illness (COVID-19) is reportedly only a fraction of what some health experts projected a few days ago.
On Monday, New York Gov. Andrew Cuomo told reporters that in his state alone, the epicenter of the viral outbreak in the United States, new coronavirus hospitalizations dropped by about 75 percent, from 1,427 four days ago to 358 on Sunday.
Highlighting the drop in new hospitalizations in NY, the state hardest hit (131,239 cases; 4,758 deaths as of Monday) by the coronavirus, Alex Berenson, former New York Times reporter who has been following the U.S. outbreak closely, observed on Twitter on Monday: "It's over, guys. It's already over."
The large 1000 bed cruise ship docked in NY harbor to help with the predicted overflow from hospitals has a whopping 20 patients.
Here locally the MUSC Hospital just laid off 900 workers because they have no patients. The National Guard was supposed to be putting in field hospitals for the over flow--guess what there is no overflow. The hospitals around here are empty. People who are sick or hurt or had elective surgery schedule all are afraid to go to the hospitals. I am not sure what news you get in Canada or what is going on up there but here in the states is no where near as bad as the media portrays.
It's over, guys. It's already over. Longer thread coming. https://twitter.com/bespokeinvest/status/1247194815160291328 ...
Bespoke@bespokeinvest
Jim Malatras, an aide for Gov. Cuomo, reportedly indicated that projections are now showing that New York is unlikely to need 110,000 hospital beds, as previously thought.
The new forecasts show "a much lower demand" that stands in the estimated 20,000-30,000 range, Jesse McKinley, the New York Times bureau chief in the NY capital of Albany, wrote on Twitter on Monday.
As I said time will tell !!!!
I talked to personal friends who have family/friends in 3 major hospitals around here and philly and they really don't have many patients. Has anyone seen all the personal videos of empty hospitals? NO lines like the media is hyping.
Quote from: mopartaz on April 07, 2020, 09:39:10 AM
I talked to personal friends who have family/friends in 3 major hospitals around here and philly and they really don't have many patients. Has anyone seen all the personal videos of empty hospitals? NO lines like the media is hyping.
This is primarily due to people avoiding the hospital at all costs right now. Unless they are dying, they aren't going.
Nothing acute, nothing elective. I know I would do the best I could to keep out of one if I had an injury. The risk of contracting the virus versus dealing with the issue may not be worth it.
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my brother in law who is around 70 yrs old was sent home after a day in the hospital with covid-19 - 105 temp and pneumonia, due to lack of beds, I would think under normal cicumstanes they would want to keep him in there for at least a few days?
Lets hope they're right JS27. Deaths here in B.C. have dropped dramatically in about the last 5 days. To be honest if everyone overreacted but it saved some pain and deaths I'm just fine with it. I avoid health care facilities at all costs anyway, I've had enough wrong diagnosis/poor care that I'll suffer at home long before going to see those quacks.
Quote from: js27 on April 07, 2020, 09:07:28 AM
U.S. Coronavirus Hospitalizations Lower than Predicted: NY Marks 75% Drop
The number of people hospitalized across the United States as a result of the novel coronavirus illness (COVID-19) is reportedly only a fraction of what some health experts projected a few days ago.
On Monday, New York Gov. Andrew Cuomo told reporters that in his state alone, the epicenter of the viral outbreak in the United States, new coronavirus hospitalizations dropped by about 75 percent, from 1,427 four days ago to 358 on Sunday.
Highlighting the drop in new hospitalizations in NY, the state hardest hit (131,239 cases; 4,758 deaths as of Monday) by the coronavirus, Alex Berenson, former New York Times reporter who has been following the U.S. outbreak closely, observed on Twitter on Monday: "It's over, guys. It's already over."
The large 1000 bed cruise ship docked in NY harbor to help with the predicted overflow from hospitals has a whopping 20 patients.
Here locally the MUSC Hospital just laid off 900 workers because they have no patients. The National Guard was supposed to be putting in field hospitals for the over flow--guess what there is no overflow. The hospitals around here are empty. People who are sick or hurt or had elective surgery schedule all are afraid to go to the hospitals. I am not sure what news you get in Canada or what is going on up there but here in the states is no where near as bad as the media portrays.
It's over, guys. It's already over. Longer thread coming. https://twitter.com/bespokeinvest/status/1247194815160291328 ...
Bespoke@bespokeinvest
Jim Malatras, an aide for Gov. Cuomo, reportedly indicated that projections are now showing that New York is unlikely to need 110,000 hospital beds, as previously thought.
The new forecasts show "a much lower demand" that stands in the estimated 20,000-30,000 range, Jesse McKinley, the New York Times bureau chief in the NY capital of Albany, wrote on Twitter on Monday.
As I said time will tell !!!!
That was Monday, Tuesday is a different story... :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:
Gov. Andrew M. Cuomo said on Tuesday that 731 more people had died in New York State,
the largest single-day increase in deaths since the crisis began. The grim tally followed two days in which new deaths dropped below 600.
https://www.msn.com/en-ca/news/world/ny-virus-deaths-hit-new-high-but-hospitalizations-slow-live-updates/ar-BB12gXyd?ocid=spartandhp
I am glad I do not live in New York,, :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:
JS27
Hmm: According to their graph, in B.C. where I live the "curve" has flatlined since March 24. About 800 cases have been resolved with about 400 cases ongoing and it seems about 25-30 new ones per day. We'll see how it looks in another week I guess.
UK Fears Coronavirus Might Have Actually Been Leaked From a China Lab
https://www.sciencetimes.com/articles/25214/20200406/uk-fears-coronavirus-actually-leaked-china-lab.htm
Professor Ebright also revealed that scientists at both the Chinese laboratories -the Centre for Disease Control- who studied the viruses are employing only 'level 2' security rather than the recommended level 4. This provides only minimal protection against infection of the people inside the laboratory and other lab workers.
It is especially critical to enhance biosecurity measures because virus collection, isolation, culture, or animal infection will pose a risk of infection to laboratory workers, and from them to the general public, Prof. Ebright warns.
He added that the evidence he saw left a basis to rule out the COVID-19 as made inside a laboratory, but there is no basis for ruling out that it is not a lab accident.
When a virus such as this one emerges from the same area as their own bioengineering weapons plant. It will take seriously more proof to show no connection than proof that it was. We all know they don't give a crap about their own people. Everyone is a commodity item test mule of some level.
And... China's first released announcement about it was more misinformation that slowed world responses.
They stated that it was only animal to human and not human to human.
This statement by our very own Dr. Fauchi.
Where we are on the peak or not.
CA/Bay area has done extremely well on flattening the curve. But were only in the 3rd quarter as one guy put it.
Nursing homes are getting hit pretty hard suddenly.
Main focus now:
L.A.
Louisiana
N.Y/N.J
Michigan
I guess it depends what you believe , I saw a report today stating that 70,000 less people have died this year than normally expected in the USA & the Hospitals are deserted almost everywhere ... I am still trying to locate 1 person that personally knows anyone with the virus anywhere worldwide other than medical staff , I do believe the virus is real but this is so far blown out of proportion :alan2cents:
I got a mini revolution on hand where two staffs refused to make visits to hospitals for projects my company contracted. They object in fear of their own safety and of their families. Legitimate fear and I am too. But we all got our jobs to do. Imagine the doctors and nurses throw down the towels. Or the truckers stop getting on the road. If it is the military, they are call deserters and can even be shot on the spot in times of war without court marshall. They are provided with protective gears like mask, safety glasses, hand sanitizer, disinfective spray and procedures to follow. Just like a soldier given a gun and ammunition ready for battle.
Quote from: Chryco Psycho on April 08, 2020, 08:54:30 PM
I guess it depends what you believe , I saw a report today stating that 70,000 less people have died this year than normally expected in the USA & the Hospitals are deserted almost everywhere ... I am still trying to locate 1 person that personally knows anyone with the virus anywhere worldwide other than medical staff , I do believe the virus is real but this is so far blown out of proportion :alan2cents:
Blown out of proportion or not will be determined in a couple years I guess. We just have no data to fall back on to make informed decisions.
As for seeing videos of empty hospitals, lots of places aren't in 'panic' mode. Here in Thunder Bay I think we have one or two covid cases in the hospital. No lines. They are preparing for more though, which, IMO, is a good thing. I hope it is a waste of their time.
CBS showing a pic of Italy and saying it was NY, sure was fuel for conspiracy theorists though..lol
Quote from: Chryco Psycho on April 08, 2020, 08:54:30 PM
I guess it depends what you believe , I saw a report today stating that 70,000 less people have died this year than normally expected in the USA & the Hospitals are deserted almost everywhere ... I am still trying to locate 1 person that personally knows anyone with the virus anywhere worldwide other than medical staff , I do believe the virus is real but this is so far blown out of proportion :alan2cents:
:wave: My sister, brother in law and wife`s sister all have it.
With almost 90,000 deaths so far and no end in sight, I'm not sure that I would consider this being "blown out of proportion" especially in places like Italy, Spain, France etc... :whiteflag:
I would rather be around to say that "man we really over reacted" then to be on my death bed saying "man I wish we had of reacted more" :alan2cents:
What I think a lot of people aren't grasping yet, is, that it won't be over until most of us get the corona virus. Otherwise you are an easy target for the virus once restrictions are relaxed. Which will create another wave. Then repeat the cycle a few times until most have contracted the virus and developed immunity.
Just my totally unqualified two cents worth.
I totally agree with you. Somehow, sometime we're all going to have to get exposed. Hopefully a vaccine come quickly.
You cannot give me the vaccine , untested , who knows what is in it , microchip for sure if Gates gets his way !
Why do you think Gates is focused on vaccines , they do not have to go through years of testing with the FDA , his track record is horrendous with previous vaccines used in developing nations in the past , we have time do the research ...
Hydroxychloroquine I will take , already proven & in use for decades , oddly one of the bigger producers was billionaire pharma Barry Sherman murdered about 2 years back in Toronto . Coincidence ???
Oh BTW 75,000 less people have died this year in the US compared to the norm over the last decade
Quote from: Chryco Psycho on April 09, 2020, 10:50:42 AM
Oh BTW 75,000 less people have died this year in the US compared to the norm over the last decade
Fascinating, No one is telling that little tidbit. :no:
you are following the wrong media then , all of the mainstream are bought & paid for .
Research , we have time ...
Ok now I need to find where the person reporting this found their info
But with the isolation & extra care washing hands etc even the normal flu deaths have dropped significantly it seems
As always "figures lie & lies figure"
But why are hospitals empty & freezer trucks to handle bodys have no HVAC units on them , I have read that the tests are flawed & possibly 70% are giving false positives also any flu or pnuemonia death is being attributed to Covid 19
Agenda 21 states 90% population reduction is nessisary , Fauci stated there would be a pandemic in spring 2020 back in 2017 , Gates is the major supporter of the WHO &, many pharma companies , Gates is at the heart of all of this & will micro chip everyone [digital passports] , he funded a 201 test run in Nov 2019 .
Evil to the core / mark of the beast
11Then I saw another beast rising out of the earth. It had two horns like a lamb and it spoke like a dragon.12It exercises all the authority of the first beast in its presence, and makes the earth and its inhabitants worship the first beast, whose mortal wound was healed.13It performs great signs, even making fire come down from heaven to earth in front of people,14and by the signs that it is allowed to work in the presence of the beast it deceives those who dwell on earth, telling them to make an image for the beast that was wounded by the sword and yet lived.15And it was allowed to give breath to the image of the beast, so that the image of the beast might even speak and might cause those who would not worship the image of the beast to be slain.16Also it causes all, both small and great, both rich and poor, both free and slave, to be marked on the right hand or the forehead,17so that no one can buy or sell unless he has the mark, that is, the name of the beast or the number of its name.18This calls for wisdom: let the one who has understanding calculate the number of the beast, for it is the number of a man, and his number is 666.
—Revelation 13:11–18
Quote from: Chryco Psycho on April 09, 2020, 11:35:16 AM
you are following the wrong media then , all of the mainstream are bought & paid for .
Research , we have time ...
:iagree: That is why i don't watch the news. Or should i say propaganda. :Stirring:
Quote from: Chryco Psycho on April 09, 2020, 10:50:42 AM
Oh BTW 75,000 less people have died this year in the US compared to the norm over the last decade
By "this year" do you mean 2020 or 2019 ?
2020
This is the key part
.16Also it causes all, both small and great, both rich and poor, both free and slave, to be marked on the right hand or the forehead,17so that no one can buy or sell unless he has the mark, that is, the name of the beast or the number of its name
I don't trust the mainstream news media and am always open to conspiracy stories. However where do you get this story that the semi trailers they are using as temporary morgues don't have HVAC units? Every picture I've seen of them they are refrigerated.
And on the news at noon they reported that 3 suburban hospitals here near Chicago are reporting that their ICU units are about at capacity.
:lookatthat: :('
Quote from: anlauto on April 09, 2020, 11:43:01 AM
Quote from: Chryco Psycho on April 09, 2020, 10:50:42 AM
Oh BTW 75,000 less people have died this year in the US compared to the norm over the last decade
By "this year" do you mean 2020 or 2019 ?
Which is most likely because all the 'exceptional' drivers out there are at home on their PS4 rather than crashing into you and me.
I ain't touching the religious reference with a 10 foot pole. You know what happens when religion or politics gets involved in a discussion.... :bricks:
Car insurance companies are sending customers rebates on premiums since their claims are down so much.
Cheap gas and insurance, but we can't drive much. Life is cruel!!
HUGE! MN Senator and Doctor: Hospitals Get Paid More to List Patients as COVID-19 and Three Times as Much if the Patient Goes on Ventilator (VIDEO)
https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2020/04/huge-mn-senator-doctor-hospitals-get-paid-list-patients-covid-19-three-times-much-patient-goes-ventilator-video/
USA has now moved into second place in the death race :andyangel:
Quote from: mopartaz on April 09, 2020, 07:23:43 PM
HUGE! MN Senator and Doctor: Hospitals Get Paid More to List Patients as COVID-19 and Three Times as Much if the Patient Goes on Ventilator (VIDEO)
https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2020/04/huge-mn-senator-doctor-hospitals-get-paid-list-patients-covid-19-three-times-much-patient-goes-ventilator-video/
:dunno:
US healthcare is always about the money isn't it? Just like they get paid more to set a broken leg than take care of a sprain. So.. :dunno:
Second place in the reported "death race". If the truth could be known, I'd guess the ranking is actually third, after China and Italy, seeing how China's government has lied through their teeth and covered up information about this since the day this started there last fall. :alan2cents:
problem is their "death toll" is manipulated lies to spread more panic and fear along with the media.
Quote from: JH27N0B on April 09, 2020, 08:36:06 PM
Second place in the reported "death race". If the truth could be known, I'd guess the ranking is actually third, after China and Italy, seeing how China's government has lied through their teeth and covered up information about this since the day this started there last fall. :alan2cents:
:iagree:
Close to four times the population of the USA. Emergence of the virus SHOULD have been a complete surprise. So it would have spread for at least, what, a month or two anyway without any control...3300 deaths...right.
:iagree:X2
It's important that we all talk about issues that are affecting us all and it's hard to think that there's anyone out there that is not affected by Covid-19. We also need to be careful that this thread does not turn political.
I'm super glad that we live in a place that has so many strong hard working people that have put us all in a great position to get through this together. The key word is "together". Regardless of who is to blame, we all have a common goal of getting through this and helping each other get to the other side. Whatever you think "this" is (virus, media, fear, lost jobs, political) it really doesn't matter at this point and we have to pull together to get through "this". I have 100% confidence in people and our ability to overcome.
If there's any members out there that are struggling or need help, feel free to reach out to me. I'm happy to send members TP, food or water if they just need it. :grouphug:
Quote from: mopartaz on April 09, 2020, 09:50:50 PM
problem is their "death toll" is manipulated lies to spread more panic and fear along with the media.
Tell that to the families of the people who have past....We have over 100 die in nursing homes alone....those are somebodies Mothers & Fathers.. :andyangel:
interesting vid watch at your own discretion and formulate your own opinion
https://www.brighteon.com/8a350a72-bcce-4859-9b64-f985c624ab18
and:
https://twitter.com/i/status/1247680994821509121
The death tolls in the US are manipulated on purpose. Any person who dies and had tested Positive for the Viruses automatically get marked as Covid 19 as cause of death. These are orders given to the hospitals because they more deaths the more government aid the hospital and town will get. Doesn't matter if a patients get hit by a truck if was tested and positive his death gets listed as Covid 19. This we have such a high death toll. This helps with the fear mongering. I have watched videos from NY hospitals that are suppose to be overwhelmed according to the media but in real life they are ghost towns. Even the ER's are empty. The 1000 bed medical cruise ship docked in NY harbor has 20 patients. Come on use some common sense here.This whole thing has been blown so far out of proportion it is insane. My sister is a NP with a doctorate and lives in PA and she told me that Luzurne Country has become the new hotspot with record case being reported. So much so they are offering PA and NP $13,000.00 a week if they come and work there. So the media goes crazy spreading fear when they don't tell you why this has becomes such a hot spot. The reason is they are all drug addicts from New York and New Jersey. You drive down the streets and see them sitting in their cars getting high --all with out of state tags on their cars.. This is the truth the media doesn't want you to know about.
JS27
It's too bad Paul Harvey isn't alive to report on this. Then we would get "The rest of the story". :rofl:
More proof---
https://www.kuow.org/stories/washington-state-to-return-centurylink-field-hospital-to-feds?fbclid=IwAR3UzpG4IEGw5pempukiLOYSqKx4ZSPQAMiudBZuYtPYT6H5-Y0wJVnMM0U
JS27
Quote from: js27 on April 10, 2020, 12:07:21 PM
More proof---
https://www.kuow.org/stories/washington-state-to-return-centurylink-field-hospital-to-feds?fbclid=IwAR3UzpG4IEGw5pempukiLOYSqKx4ZSPQAMiudBZuYtPYT6H5-Y0wJVnMM0U
JS27
Go figure :popcorn:
better watch this before Youtube removes it,
:verymad: Thank you, Now i have more ammunition to unload on my nephew. Mister educated liberal know-it-all. :yes:
Legendary Dodge Charger Daytona's lead engineer Larry Rathgeb dies of coronavirus.
https://www.freep.com/story/money/cars/chrysler/2020/04/10/larry-rathgeb-dodge-charger-daytona-coronavirus-death/5128737002/?fbclid=IwAR2PMp7jxF16NmRhjU6w_ZWjkQqDbbn3Ve2LU78NJBnQJf1yCY5nxN79SfQ
Quote from: Cuda Cody on April 10, 2020, 07:17:42 AM
It's important that we all talk about issues that are affecting us all and it's hard to think that there's anyone out there that is not affected by Covid-19. We also need to be careful that this thread does not turn political.
I'm super glad that we live in a place that has so many strong hard working people that have put us all in a great position to get through this together. The key word is "together". Regardless of who is to blame, we all have a common goal of getting through this and helping each other get to the other side. Whatever you think "this" is (virus, media, fear, lost jobs, political) it really doesn't matter at this point and we have to pull together to get through "this". I have 100% confidence in people and our ability to overcome.
If there's any members out there that are struggling or need help, feel free to reach out to me. I'm happy to send members TP, food or water if they just need it. :grouphug:
Thanks
@Cuda Cody (https://forum.e-bodies.org/mlist/cuda-cody_1).
Thread has turned...
That's a great point Cody, I missed that post earlier...
I think it's crazy that almost 19 people an hour, every hour, are dying of Covid-19 in the USA alone... :crying:
:pixiepop:
Pixie is even watching.... :deadhorse:
seems to be the narrative
Something I thought was interesting for the people comparing the US to European countries.
JS27
That's a cool perspective :twothumbsup:
The numbers don't mean anything until you're comparing apples to apples. Even the comparison above is flawed because it doesn't take into account population.
Quote from: blown motor on April 12, 2020, 08:06:21 AM
Even the comparison above is flawed because it doesn't take into account population.
:iagree:
Europe has twice the population of the USA. Somewhere around 700-800 million people I think.
Transpose Canada on top of the States...We're significantly bigger..600 deaths. But only 35 million people.
Hard to find apples to apples comparisons.
this is interesting.
A Global Threat
The World Health Organization estimates that 1.8 billion people—close to one quarter of the world's population—are infected with Mycobacterium tuberculosis (M. tb), the bacteria that causes TB. Last year, 10 million fell ill from TB and 1.5 million died.
Source:
https://www.tballiance.org/why-new-tb-drugs/global-pandemic
and we aren't shutting down the worlds economy for TB.
Refer to post #280. :alan2cents:
Quote from: mopartaz on April 12, 2020, 08:48:36 AM
this is interesting.
A Global Threat
The World Health Organization estimates that 1.8 billion people—close to one quarter of the world's population—are infected with Mycobacterium tuberculosis (M. tb), the bacteria that causes TB. Last year, 10 million fell ill from TB and 1.5 million died.
Source:
https://www.tballiance.org/why-new-tb-drugs/global-pandemic
and we aren't shutting down the worlds economy for TB.
The map on this link shows why me and you aren't too concerned about TB, only 515 people died in the US from TB in 2017. All the dying is in 3rd world countries. Very few white people die of TB even of the 515 in the US. Malaria is a huge killer too, but not here.
https://www.who.int/gho/tb/epidemic/cases_deaths/en/
https://www.cdc.gov/tb/publications/factsheets/statistics/tbtrends.htm
Quote from: mopartaz on April 10, 2020, 01:44:53 PM
better watch this before Youtube removes it,
We are now taking advice from an anti-vaxxer.
https://themontanapost.com/blog/2020/04/10/annie-bukacek-the-bundy-of-the-flathead-endangers-public-health/
https://www.thedailysheeple.com/dr-annie-says-no-to-vaccines/
The bundy of the flatheads? lol :Thud:
I can't believe the attitude of some people trying to play this down, sure maybe more people dye of the regular flu, or maybe your area is not hit that bad, maybe the State is bigger then Europe, maybe you'd rather be working, etc...etc...
The simple-ness of this mess is that 21,656 people :andyangel: in the USA have died in the last 44 days...almost 500/day of Covid-19. Something should be done. :bricks:
In Toronto, and all of Ontario, the public parks and beaches have been shut down for quite awhile now, however on last nights news they pointed out that the Police and by-law officers are now issuing fines for people using the parks or any area of them. You will receive a $750 fine if you're caught sitting alone or with anybody on a public park bench. You can walk in the park, but NOT sit on bench.
They showed two elderly ladies enjoying the sunshine sitting on Muskoka chairs on one of Toronto's public beaches....They each got $750 fines....They looked pretty pissed on the news. :crying: Also showed two Dudes refusing to leave a skate park....BAM.....$750 fine...
People need to get the idea in their heads....JUST STAY HOME !
There's a group here that should have a "chicken pox party" for coronavirus so they can report back in a 3 or 4 weeks just how bad or nothing to worry about it actually is! :idea:
The reverberations from their echo chamber of links supporting what they want to think got so intense they shattered the screen on one of my iPads when I opened this thread up this morning. :-X
I'd ask to be reimbursed for the repair, but I think the tablet and phone repair stores are closed down now as "non essential", so I'm SOL getting it repaired for now. :crying:
I hear a lot of ignorance these days coming from both ends of the political spectrum, and I think that when this is all behind us and the facts are all actually known, the truth will end up being somewhere in the middle. That's how it usually works out. Until this plays out, it's foolish to think you know all that much about it, because you don't, nor does anyone else.
In the meantime, there is no excuse for not being careful out there because at this time there's no treatment. Hopefully some of the treatments that are being experimented with now work out so we can try to get back to something resembling normal soon!
Nobody has really thought how this is going to work out as far as how this will end.
You have multiple agencies with their authority and their input.
CDC
WHO ::)
OH & S
Trump Corona Team
FDA
NHTSA
Surgeon General
State Governors
FAA
National Retailers Association
How in the Hell is this all going to go to Get out of Jail" card?
Quote from: Topcat on April 12, 2020, 05:51:41 PM
Nobody has really thought how this is going to work out as far as how this will end.
You have multiple agencies with their authority and their input.
CDC
WHO ::)
OH & S
Trump Corona Team
FDA
NHTSA
Surgeon General
State Governors
FAA
National Retailers Association
How in the Hell is this all going to go to Get out of Jail" card?
Pence has got this, with some help from Kushner and Ivanka,
:Thud:
Next week 4/20 party at Golden Gate Park will be closed.
This outta be interesting. 100,000 people being turned away.
A sad effect of this virus....All Ontario hospitals are closed to visitors....
My friends 59 year old Mother-in-law is in the hospital and was just diagnosed with Stage 4 inoperable cancer...they don't think she has much longer to live :andyangel: No one is allowed to visit her....and it has nothing to do with Covid-19, they are just not allowed in the hospital period !
They're going to try and bring her home to die, but at this point not even sure if the hospital will discharge her :looney:
I'm sure there is a million stories like this out there...very sad :'(
My dad -96- briefly talked to my brother on the phone yesterday. The senior facility he lives in has been on lock down for weeks. All he said to my brother was pick me up, pick me up, pick me up. His dementia is getting worse, and does not understand why nobody has been there to see him. We all would see him at least once a week, the longer this goes the worse it well get.
My mom is in a first floor independent living apartment at a senior complex which is locked down.
A few weeks ago I dropped off a planter on her patio and we chatted through her patio sliding door from 4 or 5 feet apart. Then last Saturday I took her an Easter lily and a few fruits and again we chatted for a few minutes from a short distance.
Sunday I called her to check in, and she said the management sent out a memo nobody can drop anything off like that anymore, needs to go through the front entrance vestibule and only a couple designated times a week.
I guess I can't see her anymore. :(
Quote from: BIGSHCLUNK on April 14, 2020, 09:42:26 AM
My dad -96- briefly talked to my brother on the phone yesterday. The senior facility he lives in has been on lock down for weeks. All he said to my brother was pick me up, pick me up, pick me up. His dementia is getting worse, and does not understand why nobody has been there to see him. We all would see him at least once a week, the longer this goes the worse it well get.
I'm so sorry , that's a very tough one. :('
Quote from: worthywads on April 12, 2020, 09:19:57 PM
Quote from: Topcat on April 12, 2020, 05:51:41 PM
Nobody has really thought how this is going to work out as far as how this will end.
You have multiple agencies with their authority and their input.
CDC
WHO ::)
OH & S
Trump Corona Team
FDA
NHTSA
Surgeon General
State Governors
FAA
National Retailers Association
How in the Hell is this all going to go to Get out of Jail" card?
Pence has got this, with some help from Kushner and Ivanka,
WHAT ABOUT EVIL BILL GATES LOOKING TO DEPOPULATE THERES A GUY WE CAN TRUST.
Quote from: 71cudaddict on April 14, 2020, 01:43:00 PM
WHAT ABOUT EVIL BILL GATES LOOKING TO DEPOPULATE THERES A GUY WE CAN TRUST.
I hope you are joking.
Bill Gates is working on reducing overall population growth, he's never talked about depopulating.
A lot has been made of this quote
"First, we've got population. The world today has 6.8 billion people. That's headed up to about nine billion. Now, if we do a really great job on new vaccines, health care, reproductive health services, we could lower that by, perhaps, 10 or 15 percent, but there we see an increase of about 1.3".
He is talking about reducing the then current population growth of 1.3%. He is saying we can reduce that by 10-15%. Reducing population growth from 1.3% to 1.1% if 15% reduction is achieved.
You'd have to think that vaccines, health care, and reproductive health services can kill a Billion living people. That doesn't work, cause it's not what Gates was saying.
Tired of quarantine and kids have been off school cooped up at home. It's about 80 here in the SF Bay Area today and premium gas is down to just over $3 bucks/gallon... that's low for here.
Washed off my Challenger and my son hopped in for a ride. Ran up to 4 corners Alice's and took the long way home up Skyline, 85 to 280.
Was motoring along 280 South and spotted a nice looking Roadrunner cruising up the slow lane way up ahead of us. I rolled up to about 85mph to catch him and have a look. Nice silver paint with 383 badge on the hood. Honked & waved just as we pass a CHP parked on the side of the highway. Check the RV mirror and he's pulling out quickly. I tell my son.. "looks like you get to see your old man get a ticket". CHP is getting big in my rear view mirror and a guy in a Honda blows by in the fast lane just as the cop is nearly on me. Son and I got to watch the Honda get pulled over...
:rofl:
Quote from: Scooter on April 15, 2020, 04:51:14 PM
Tired of quarantine and kids have been off school cooped up at home. It's about 80 here in the SF Bay Area today and premium gas is down to just over $3 bucks/gallon... that's low for here.
Washed off my Challenger and my son hopped in for a ride. Ran up to 4 corners Alice's and took the long way home up Skyline, 85 to 280.
Was motoring along 280 South and spotted a nice looking Roadrunner cruising up the slow lane way up ahead of us. I rolled up to about 85mph to catch him and have a look. Nice silver paint with 383 badge on the hood. Honked & waved just as we pass a CHP parked on the side of the highway. Check the RV mirror and he's pulling out quickly. I tell my son.. "looks like you get to see your old man get a ticket". CHP is getting big in my rear view mirror and a guy in a Honda blows by in the fast lane just as the cop is nearly on me. Son and I got to watch the Honda get pulled over...
:rofl:
Cops don't ticket classic Mopars do they?? :haha: :rofl:
So new question - who`s wearing PPE, mask and gloves when going to work,stores etc.? Some people at work are wearing masks and we now get our temperature checked when we walk in but many others are not. I understand wearing them in stores although it is agueable if it really protects you but I saw a guy wearing one outside at the transfer station and see people wearing them while driving thier car by themselves - why? :huh:
I'm wearing a dust mask when I go into to a store, and wipe up with Clorox wipes after I get back in my car. And wash up when I get home. Not sure how much the mask helps, but can't hurt. Some suburbs here are starting to require masks when in stores, and the state is talking about requiring it statewide.
Wearing masks in public, workers, customers, everybody Statewide Executive Order in RI starts Sat. One town has already imposed a fine for not complying.
All kinds of news stories about not enough masks for front line workers and now everybody is supposed to wear one. How's that going to work?
They are telling us to make our own using a bandana and rubber bands!
Wearing one while driving by yourself in your car is just stupid. But I've seen it here.
Wearing a regular mask protects others, not the wearer. If you cough sneeze etc, your droplets from exhaling get stopped from projecting outwards.
If you are wearing a properly fitting N95 mask it protects you as well. N95 meaning it stops 95% of some specified size of airborne particles.
No, I don't wear one. I control coughs by coughing into my shirt, jacket, whatever.
Quote from: dodj on April 16, 2020, 07:45:12 AM
Wearing one while driving by yourself in your car is just stupid. But I've seen it here.
Wearing a regular mask protects others, not the wearer. If you cough sneeze etc, your droplets from exhaling get stopped from projecting outwards.
If you are wearing a properly fitting N95 mask it protects you as well. N95 meaning it stops 95% of some specified size of airborne particles.
No, I don't wear one. I control coughs by coughing into my shirt, jacket, whatever.
This is correct.. PPE (bandanas or masks) protect others from your droplets. Spit is released every time we speak. These low level projectiles still hit hit your surroundings for others to come in contact with.
Where I agree masks in your car looks stupid. I disagree that it is. All my family uses the same car now. We are all out shopping various places. Coming in contact with the unknowns. We sanitize but in reality many things get touched that may not be properly hit.
Along with the ever present and unknowingly touch of your own faces. Masks help to limit that.
We have now several cases that popped up at stores we shop at that are also less than 1/8 mile from my house.
I'm pushing 60 and recently was diagnosed with a significant heart issue. This is about as serious as it gets for me.
:vipermanhiding: :vipermanhiding: :vipermanhiding: saves others lives. Not just the wearer.
Ah yes. Perspective.
I'm the only one that drives my vehicles so I guess I was kind of blind to the 'multiple driver' scenario.
Yea...to simplify, you wearing a mask is meant to protect other people from you in case you have Covid-19 and don't know it. :alan2cents:
Just try coughing in a grocery store and see the dirty looks you get :bricks:
Quote from: anlauto on April 16, 2020, 08:13:13 AM
Just try coughing in a grocery store and see the dirty looks you get :bricks:
Try shopping for your mom, mom in law, and yourself. People think you are a hoarder buying multiples of everything. lol
Quote from: dodj on April 16, 2020, 08:35:42 AM
Quote from: anlauto on April 16, 2020, 08:13:13 AM
Just try coughing in a grocery store and see the dirty looks you get :bricks:
Try shopping for your mom, mom in law, and yourself. People think you are a hoarder buying multiples of everything. lol
OH...soooo you're THAT guy ! :rofl: :rofl:
A little quarantine related humor news piece I saw today. :rofl:
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/police-department-issues-final-warning-to-maryland-residents-and-orders-them-to-wear-pants-while-checking-their-mailboxes/ar-BB12J6oD?ocid=ientp
:haha:
Day by day we are de-volving...
With all the hair salons closed down, I'm hearing a lot of blondes are de-volving into brunettes! :crazytalk:
I`ll be back to my `70`s hairstyle in another couple weeks.
Interesting video on microdroplets. I only wish they had shown comparison of coughing or sneezing with different layers of masking to see how much of a reduction each type made.
https://vimeo.com/402577241?1&ref=fb-share&fbclid=IwAR3_SFAHTUeWBRJCCE_Pbpe1AEME2e7Nh-MmiAiEgfKEqCxd12ibMNSuQN4
Quote from: torredcuda on April 17, 2020, 04:49:21 AM
I`ll be back to my `70`s hairstyle in another couple weeks.
Time to break out the shop vac...
(https://www.thelightninground.com/filedata/fetch?id=980&d=1587132808)
;)
Quote from: torredcuda on April 17, 2020, 04:49:21 AM
I`ll be back to my `70`s hairstyle in another couple weeks.
I am already there!!! :yes: Pony tail time.
Still bald..... Kind of like this emoji... 8)
China revised the numbers on their COVID 19 deaths which is unbelievably low compare to other countries. Big lies from them. On the other hand we have less people than them but our deaths is so much higher. Could be over reporting on our own numbers so that the States can get more relief money from the Fed. China is sending people back to work so they care more about the economy than we do. While China becomes a capitalistic state, we are moving to become a socialist state. :bricks:
The US death numbers are not accurate and although may be inflated in some cases, they are underreported in others. In NY for example, there has been a large uptick in numbers of people dying at home. Most likely this is because of COVID 19. However they aren't reported as COVID because the coroners office doesn't have the resources to test these deceased people. This is likely happening elsewhere too, so how many people in the US have died of COVID19 but aren't reported as that because they weren't tested for it?
Then the Chinese numbers are total lies with their population so much higher than ours and we isolate no different from them.
Quote from: 7212Mopar on April 17, 2020, 02:02:51 PM
we isolate no different from them.
Maybe...
In China it may be isolate like you are told or get shot. A little more incentive.....to do what you are told.
Quote from: 7212Mopar on April 17, 2020, 02:02:51 PM
Then the Chinese numbers are total lies with their population so much higher than ours and we isolate no different from them.
50% higher now than what was first reported.
https://www.businessinsider.com/coronavirus-wuhan-china-abruptly-increases-death-toll-by-50-2020-4
Quote from: Topcat on April 18, 2020, 06:13:55 PM
Quote from: 7212Mopar on April 17, 2020, 02:02:51 PM
Then the Chinese numbers are total lies with their population so much higher than ours and we isolate no different from them.
50% higher now than what was first reported.
https://www.businessinsider.com/coronavirus-wuhan-china-abruptly-increases-death-toll-by-50-2020-4
IMO five times the current number & you'd still be short.. :alan2cents:
Quote from: 1 Wild R/T on April 18, 2020, 06:44:13 PM
Quote from: Topcat on April 18, 2020, 06:13:55 PM
Quote from: 7212Mopar on April 17, 2020, 02:02:51 PM
Then the Chinese numbers are total lies with their population so much higher than ours and we isolate no different from them.
50% higher now than what was first reported.
https://www.businessinsider.com/coronavirus-wuhan-china-abruptly-increases-death-toll-by-50-2020-4
IMO five times the current number & you'd still be short.. :alan2cents:
I agree with that opinion, I don't think anyone believes China's official numbers at all. Seems impossible that NYC totally dwarfed China's numbers. Maybe people that believe the NYC and Italy numbers are fake.
Quote from: JH27N0B on April 17, 2020, 01:05:16 PM
The US death numbers are not accurate and although may be inflated in some cases, they are underreported in others. In NY for example, there has been a large uptick in numbers of people dying at home. Most likely this is because of COVID 19. However they aren't reported as COVID because the coroners office doesn't have the resources to test these deceased people. This is likely happening elsewhere too, so how many people in the US have died of COVID19 but aren't reported as that because they weren't tested for it?
When we get widely available antibody testing the number of infected will probably go way up and the mortality rate will go down.
Quote from: torredcuda on April 19, 2020, 05:45:59 AM
When we get widely available antibody testing the number of infected will probably go way up and the mortality rate will go down.
I've seen as poor as 30% false positive with antibody test so far, detecting common cold virus. Until a very accurate antibody test is made that dog don't hunt.
Turn up the volume....
https://gab.com/system/media_attachments/files/049/221/759/original/dcc24dd103a16c1d.mp4?1587512751
Quote from: torredcuda on April 19, 2020, 05:45:59 AM
When we get widely available antibody testing the number of infected will probably go way up and the mortality rate will go down.
This is starting to prove out. Still scary for those over 70 or already compromised in some way.
Does this change the way we move forward?
Covid-19 was in CA in January and most likely December of 2019 through community spread.
"The Santa Clara County Medical Examiner-Coroner performed autopsies on two people who died in their homes February 6 and 17 and sent samples to the US Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, the county said Tuesday. The CDC confirmed Tuesday that the tissue samples tested positive for coronavirus...."
https://www.kptv.com/general/2-californians-died-of-coronavirus-weeks-before-previously-known-1st-us-death/article_2d8ee984-389b-5c94-9496-8a3ac411be62.html
Quote from: Cuda Cody on April 22, 2020, 07:53:25 AM
Does this change the way we move forward?
I think that for a lot of people it will very much change the way we move forward. For us, we have already decided that for this year we will not be attending any large functions. We've been discussing things we can do or places we can go that will involve minimal contact with other people. Not sure how we'll handle overnight accommodation, might just be a bunch of day trips.
Quote from: Cuda Cody on April 22, 2020, 07:53:25 AM
Covid-19 was in CA in January and most likely December of 2019 through community spread.
Does it really matter "when" it started ?
I think it matters most what we're are doing now and tomorrow...The people that want to rush to get things back to normal are the ones being very naïve thinking everything will be okay, no big deal.... :headbang:
Quote from: anlauto on April 22, 2020, 08:17:12 AM
Does it really matter "when" it started ?
To gain a complete understanding of the virus it does.
We do need to 're-open' the economy in a sensible manner. Including 2m spacing. Fan sports, large gatherings will have to wait. Re-open stores and other businesses with new rules that take distancing into acct.
:alan2cents:
Yes: I think it matters who we trust in the future and how we handle things. The best thing Trump did is to stop funding the WHO for example. Why should they be funded when they dropped the ball and basically shut the world down for a year? I also think economic sanctions should be taken against countries that haven't been treating the rest of the world responsibly.
:iagree:
Quote from: RUNCHARGER on April 22, 2020, 08:24:09 AM
Yes: I think it matters who we trust in the future and how we handle things. The best thing Trump did is to stop funding the WHO for example. Why should they be funded when they dropped the ball and basically shut the world down for a year? I also think economic sanctions should be taken against countries that haven't been treating the rest of the world responsibly.
You think cutting funding in the middle of pandemic makes sense??? I disagree.
So what would the economic sanctions look like for the US for failing to take responsible actions at the start of the pandemic and helping it spread like wild fire????
Jason
The WHO did not warn the world in time and that was their job. Why fund them when they were so negligent in their duties? If we hadn't depended on them and been watching carefully ourselves this wouldn't have gotten so out of control.
The U.S. didn't start this germ warfare, why blame them?
We do blame China!!!!! And they should pay, after all the money wally world sends them. :verymad:
Quote from: Cuda Cody on April 22, 2020, 07:53:25 AM
Does this change the way we move forward?
Covid-19 was in CA in January and most likely December of 2019 through community spread.
"The Santa Clara County Medical Examiner-Coroner performed autopsies on two people who died in their homes February 6 and 17 and sent samples to the US Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, the county said Tuesday. The CDC confirmed Tuesday that the tissue samples tested positive for coronavirus...."
https://www.kptv.com/general/2-californians-died-of-coronavirus-weeks-before-previously-known-1st-us-death/article_2d8ee984-389b-5c94-9496-8a3ac411be62.html
Yes, I think it changes things positively as most likely more people have already had the virus than previuosly thought so once there is an accurate, widely available antibody test more people can go back to work/normal routine once confirmed to have had it.
Since it is back to political with the blame from the usual suspects, it is obvious that most everything the WHO warned about was ignored by Trump. He is now blaming others when he is to blame for the US delaying action, not the WHO.
When something like this happens, we need to wait for ALL the info to be investigated. There will be plenty of blame for everybody. In hindsight, everyone will be found lacking in some way. Stopping who funding is just the 'normal' trump behaviour and nobody should be surprised. Whether you are pro or anti trump you should have expected it.
Looking forward, it does appear to be positive news that the virus was in the US long before experts thought it was. Since the virus is now known to be in CA in January and most likely in December when a ton of people were travelling for the holidays there could be a vast number of people that have already been exposed to it than we think.
I think no matter what country you live in the WORLD, the only one you can blame is your own Government. It's your Government that decided to take the actions it did with the information it had at the time.
Did the virus start in China ? YES.
Did China lie about it ? Likely
Did WHO know the exact truth ? Who knows, they were likely getting their information from China.
Did WHO put out information to the WORLD as soon as they were getting it ? Most Likely
Did ALL the countries of the WORLD respond in the same fashion with the WHOs warnings and recommendations ? NO obviously NOT.
Did each countries Government decide when to start "lock down" or social distance their own people? YES
Did some countries Government make that decision too late? YES
Is China to blame for that ? NO
Is WHO to blame for that ? NO
Will China or the WHO be to blame when the second wave hits or the first wave continues because people are fighting and protesting the social distancing policies ? NO
Are countries rushing too fast into opening things like beaches up too early ? Likely, only time will tell.
Just be safe out there... :twothumbsup:
One of the biggest issues with the WHO is the guy that appears to be in charge of it. Do some research he is a shady character and should be in some sort of Nuremberg/Hague trial not the leader of the WHO same applies to various positions of the UN . Funding should be cut from that as well until they do some much needed "housekeeping" Both are horribly corrupt! Trump should throw the UN out of NY and turn the building into a VA hospital! Trump is not perfect and has said/done some pretty stupid things, but I applaud him in cutting funding. Both started out as a noble idea/concept but quickly became corrupt and have lost the confidence of most that have done any research into the matter, regardless of what side of the political fence you sit on. For the record as far as I can see/hear/read Trump started acting before our "village idiot " did. Personally I don't believe it's as serious as the plague it's been claimed to be , it's definitely more contagious as the common flu and its NOT the flu, but some people are defiantly playing with the numbers for reasons that are yet to be seen . Political reasons perhaps... Fear is a powerful tool. Bottom line is China lied and people died unnecessarily. :alan2cents:
:( :( :(
Looks like Michigan 'Stay at Home' orders will be extended at least another 2 weeks, with the spike in cases yesterday... will know more at 3PM
According to this article....It looks like the end of these crazy times is in sight for a lot of the States in America :bigthumb:
https://www.msn.com/en-ca/news/world/states-rushing-to-reopen-are-likely-making-a-deadly-error-coronavirus-models-and-experts-warn/ar-BB133HoF?ocid=spartandhp
Good luck :fingerscrossed:
More fear mongering to pass a mandatory vaccination program.Wonder who's to profit on all that.... :barf:
Gates & Fauci fingerprints are all over this .... :thinking:
I haven`t researched it yet but listening to Hannity on the way to work yesterday he talked about New Yorks numbers and the mortality rates are much lower than previuoslly thought - down to .3-.4%. I`m betting they are even lower due to any death with even some symptoms is listed as a covid-19 death. I`m not a conspiracy guy so won`t speculate on motives but I think at the very least the "experts" got this all wrong, a lot due to China not giving us timely and accurate info but even now they really don`t know what to do.
When They don't know what they are taking about, dose not stop them from flapping there lips anyway. :no:
Quote from: torredcuda on April 24, 2020, 06:26:12 AM
I haven`t researched it yet but listening to Hannity on the way to work yesterday he talked about New Yorks numbers and the mortality rates are much lower than previuoslly thought - down to .3-.4%. I`m betting they are even lower due to any death with even some symptoms is listed as a covid-19 death. I`m not a conspiracy guy so won`t speculate on motives but I think at the very least the "experts" got this all wrong, a lot due to China not giving us timely and accurate info but even now they really don`t know what to do.
have you considered that the social distancing rules put in place have contributed to the lower mortality rates.
I am perfectly fine sitting at home and restricting movements etc. if that is the out come.
I suspect that if these rules would not have been put in place the mortality rates would have gone up.
Remember if we follow these rule and nothing happens, that is the point!
Jason
Social distancing is keeping the overall number of infected down but not the mortality %. Swedens approach has been different - https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-020-01098-x
So China is lying about there numbers making them too low, and NY is lying, making their numbers too high...crazy times for sure !
Something about using the words research and Hannity in the same sentence...lol :pokeeye:
Quote from: dodj on April 24, 2020, 07:09:07 AM
Something about using the words research and Hannity in the same sentence...lol :pokeeye:
Would you prefer he does research by watching MSNBC or CNN????
None of the news outlets are without their agendas... The days of any kind of honest news reporting are long gone, assuming they ever truly existed...
Quote from: 1 Wild R/T on April 24, 2020, 08:41:44 AM
Quote from: dodj on April 24, 2020, 07:09:07 AM
Something about using the words research and Hannity in the same sentence...lol :pokeeye:
Would you prefer he does research by watching MSNBC or CNN????
None of the news outlets are without their agendas... The days of any kind of honest news reporting are long gone, assuming they ever truly existed...
Lol, I'm not familiar with msnbc but would put cnn in with fox for reliable reporting. They are about the same. Foils for each other.
Figure out honest news? I agree, that's tough. A lot of sifting through a lot of agenda driven crap. And what you end up believing probably boils down to a mix of your own morals/ethics/upbringing.
Hannity quoted numbers used by Cuomo, not his own but I`ll research to be sure.
New York is reporting at least 263,490 total positive cases of COVID-19 and 15,740 confirmed COVID-19 deaths. = .059%, much lower than early numbers I heard of 3,5 or 8%
Your numbers would be 5.9%, not .059%.
Quote from: blown motor on April 24, 2020, 09:47:31 AM
Your numbers would be 5.9%, not .059%.
:iagree:
the math doesn't lie!
There also seems to be evidence that this was in North America since at least December. That would mean possibly millions of people that have been sick with mild symptoms and or no symptoms that were never tested. This alone would make the mortality rates much less . No one will ever know though as there is no way to test everyone , nor would it be financially feasible.
From what I see/read the test to see if you have had it is flawed ..... :Thud: Seems like big Pharma is having a pissing match over who's test is more accurate? As per usual. follow the money... :pullinghair:
Lots of reports about Dec or earlier.... this is just one of many...
https://nypost.com/2020/04/13/coronavirus-likely-spread-in-california-as-early-as-december-official/
https://abcnews.go.com/Health/antibody-research-coronavirus-widespread/story?id=70206121&fbclid=IwAR1BflDzEJMlaALancnWHcx05DdbZ4F7Adgw4cRnN4z8owlYrBTuNoFPXWc
I watch the death numbers everyday, sometimes twice a day from the same source....they don't seem to ever go down... :dunno:
Quote from: anlauto on April 24, 2020, 11:32:08 AM
I watch the death numbers everyday, sometimes twice a day from the same source....they don't seem to ever go down... :dunno:
Have you checked the flu related death toll? People die all the time... I don't recall any nation wide lock downs in the past... In the past any quarantine contained to sick people not everyone....
They/you want us to believe the only reason we're not all dead is because of lock downs but now researchers are finding the virus has been here longer then they thought & has spread much wider than expected... which means the lockdown was pointless... Well not pointless, it has certainly damaged our economy which some folks see as a win...
One thing for sure is that "People die all the time"...we all can agree on that :drinkingbud:
What would be "interesting" would be to accurately see how many people this year are listed from dying from the flu or pneumonia, etc... and again from "covid 19" then compare to years past flu and pneumonia etc.. I suspect if the accurate lists were compared we would see " a trend" I suspect not as many people are listed dying from issues other than covid 19 this year.
We've seen 550+ people die in Ontario senior homes in the last couple of months....I don't think that's "normal" :thinking:
Excellent point Alan. 1WILD R/T, maybe it has spread wider than expected but that doesn't make the lockdowns pointless. How much farther would it have spread without lockdowns? I, for one, believe that things would have been much, much worse.
Quote from: anlauto on April 24, 2020, 01:32:32 PM
We've seen 550+ people die in Ontario senior homes in the last couple of months....I don't think that's "normal" :thinking:
I'm thinking people in old age homes die quite frequently! Likely the #1 place people die?
:pokeeye: I know what your trying to say though....
To extend on Brads point.....It would be interesting to see daily death counts in The world, in Separate Countries, even in separate States/Provinces, cities.
I mean deaths from ALL causes....It would be interesting to compare today's statistics to say 2019 statistics. 194K total Covid-19 deaths is a tiny blip in the World's population, but take Countries like Italy or States like New York or even cities like Toronto and see how their daily death stats compare to last year :thinking:
Glad he made it thru the mayhem
Here is a YouTube snip of CNN discussing what the company I work for produces. Masimo.
In short we are now able to identify and monitor most everything within your blood without ever drawing any.
I am currently working on several higher cavitation injection molds for the parts shown in video in order to keep up with the current and expected future demands.
Quote from: anlauto on April 24, 2020, 01:55:24 PM
I mean deaths from ALL causes....It would be interesting to compare
thinking:
It will change your perspective for sure. For example, approximately 5000 Canadian women will die from breast cancer in 2020. Been about the same for a number of years. But do you hear about it very often? Nope.
Heart issues... About 12 deaths per hour, every day. 365 days per year. In Canada.
Having ten times the population, the numbers are likely ten times higher in the USA.
Quote from: YellowThumper on April 24, 2020, 08:39:16 PM
Here is a YouTube snip of CNN discussing what the company I work for produces. Masimo.
In short we are now able to identify and monitor most everything within your blood without ever drawing any.
I am currently working on several higher cavitation injection molds for the parts shown in video in order to keep up with the current and expected future demands.
Great technology! :bradsthumb:
Quote from: YellowThumper on April 24, 2020, 08:39:16 PM
Here is a YouTube snip of CNN discussing what the company I work for produces. Masimo.
In short we are now able to identify and monitor most everything within your blood without ever drawing any.
I am currently working on several higher cavitation injection molds for the parts shown in video in order to keep up with the current and expected future demands.
That's amazing stuff.
I work with photo, proximity, laser, etc sensors and understand how they work. I've often wondered how those medical finger sensors can do their work without a sample. :huh:
Quote from: blown motor on April 24, 2020, 09:47:31 AM
Your numbers would be 5.9%, not .059%.
Must not be the numbers he used and my brain wasn`t working very good, and math was my good subject. :looney: :dunno: Those are confirmed positive numbers, estimates are much higher - 21% of people in NYC are thought to be infected but obviuosly we don`t have the testing yet, either way I think in the end the mortality rate will be well below 1%.
Quote from: blown motor on April 24, 2020, 01:47:28 PM
Excellent point Alan. 1WILD R/T, maybe it has spread wider than expected but that doesn't make the lockdowns pointless. How much farther would it have spread without lockdowns? I, for one, believe that things would have been much, much worse.
The worst is still to come and it is not the virus infection but the aftermath of economic meltdown. Some countries can survive it better than others given their economic size. Poor countries killing what's left of their small economies are just kicking the can down the road, essentially committing suicide to save themselves from the virus killing them.
This is a new problem for us so nobody knows what the right answer is, but yet it seems world leaders are putting their full trust in the formal media and WHO.
Personally I think that herd immunity is the way to go especially for poor countries with a younger population. It makes more sense to quarantine the vulnerable than everybody and killing the economy. What is certain is that you don't stop the virus by a lockdown, only pause it but you will kill the economy by doing so.
:iagree:
I did not know Sweden took a different approach. They resisted a lockdown, and its capital Stockholm is expected to reach 'herd immunity' in weeks.
https://www.cnbc.com/2020/04/22/no-lockdown-in-sweden-but-stockholm-could-see-herd-immunity-in-weeks.html
Go figure! :popcorn:
Quote from: Cuda Cody on April 25, 2020, 08:02:09 AM
I did not know Sweden took a different approach. They resisted a lockdown, and its capital Stockholm is expected to reach 'herd immunity' in weeks.
https://www.cnbc.com/2020/04/22/no-lockdown-in-sweden-but-stockholm-could-see-herd-immunity-in-weeks.html
I read they were seeing a recent spike but overall doesn`t sound like it went all that bad with limited lock downs.
The Sweden method appears to be having the same results as in Canada. The Virus has ravaged quite a few old folks homes but no worse than what has happened in Sweden. Canada currently treats it's old folks as the unwanted anyway and I think it's leaders aren't too worried about loosing a few old folks.
Quote from: WCC on April 25, 2020, 07:45:57 AM
Quote from: blown motor on April 24, 2020, 01:47:28 PM
Excellent point Alan. 1WILD R/T, maybe it has spread wider than expected but that doesn't make the lockdowns pointless. How much farther would it have spread without lockdowns? I, for one, believe that things would have been much, much worse.
The worst is still to come and it is not the virus infection but the aftermath of economic meltdown. Some countries can survive it better than others given their economic size. Poor countries killing what's left of their small economies are just kicking the can down the road, essentially committing suicide to save themselves from the virus killing them.
This is a new problem for us so nobody knows what the right answer is, but yet it seems world leaders are putting their full trust in the formal media and WHO.
Personally I think that herd immunity is the way to go especially for poor countries with a younger population. It makes more sense to quarantine the vulnerable than everybody and killing the economy. What is certain is that you don't stop the virus by a lockdown, only pause it but you will kill the economy by doing so.
Not much the smaller economies can do when the big ones are idling. Even China restarting they still depends on the US. No US orders, their factories will never reach full speed. The World largely depends on us.
Here is some of my reply to an email I got about an article about someone suggesting purposely injecting a small amount of the virus into people as a possible cure.....
https://www.msn.com/en-ca/news/canada/crazy-idea-of-infecting-volunteers-with-covid-19-to-boost-herd-immunity-is-gathering-support/ar-BB138OzT?li=AAggNb9
Quote, ( my reply)
" As I understand it,( but I'm no doctor?) When you get any " vaccine " flu shot etc... what they are doing is injecting you with a small amount of the virus . Then the idea is your immune system kicks in and builds the antibody and builds your immunity. So I have no idea if this article is a good idea or a bad idea? I do believe though that the solution is not us sitting at home for months/years more on end. There is no "solution" to that. I get and support " flattening the curve" to not overwhelm the medical system, we have done that, time for a actual solution. If it will take a year or more for a possible vaccine, then we can't wait. "Herd immunity" seems to be the only solution so far.....
With the flu shot what I've read is they are just guessing which strain so most of the time it is ineffective, some times they do guess right and it works . As I understand things covid 19 will also mutate and some reports of it doing so already in China with a smaller second wave. So if it takes a year to develop a vaccine for this exact strain, it likely will have mutated long before then and the original strain will have worked its way thru the population and naturally built the herd immunity and disappeared. I say open things up in a controlled way as to do our best to not overwhelm the medical system, except for the most vulnerable ( elderly, sick, etc..) do the best we can for them. For well over 90% of the people this is not fatal and the symptoms for most that get sick are not severe enough to cause hospitalization
I'm leaning towards them actually getting a reliable test to see if you have had it. ( I suspect I have, as I was really sick around Christmas ) I have donated blood regularly since I was 18. Then if I did have it my blood could be given to someone really sick with it as a possible help/cure. I've read a few articles saying this works and is not a new solution, but rather centuries old idea/cure.. I think this is where the solution lies. Build up the blood supply with antibodies to treat the really sick.
Heck, I'm worth more dead than alive anyhow! HAHA Just ask my wife! LOL "
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Quote from: RUNCHARGER on April 25, 2020, 08:36:30 AM
The Sweden method appears to be having the same results as in Canada. The Virus has ravaged quite a few old folks homes but no worse than what has happened in Sweden. Canada currently treats it's old folks as the unwanted anyway and I think it's leaders aren't too worried about loosing a few old folks.
We (Sweden) got a lot of deaths in old people because the virus got in to a lot of retirement homes in Stockholm pretty early.
Our curve seems to be flattening out now though.
Here is the curves right now, deaths per 100 000 people.
Horizontal is days since first death.
Pretty much the same as other countries, but with the difference that Sweden is still functioning pretty normally.
Not sure what is good or not, have to trust the experts.
I'd say Sweden got it right... :alan2cents:
:iagree:
Quote from: 1 Wild R/T on April 25, 2020, 10:05:21 AM
I'd say Sweden got it right... :alan2cents:
"Getting it right" obviously is the target for everyone. Unfortunately there is not a singular answer for all. Population density is huge part of it. Along with general climate. How sound is the countries medical infrastructure? I agree with mitigation by separation. The level of which has to be decided by each government.
I have tired of the argument that Korea and China are the "models" to follow in how to quickly contain it. Do what we say or get shot dictatorship run countries are not models we live in. Every country has their allowable level of laws for population containment. This becomes an extremely difficult balancing act to not over step those freedoms.
The media has certainly overblown this and caused an unnecessary amount of fear about Covid.
However, this disease is dangerous, it is more contagious than flu, and the death rate is higher.
It is possible for both those statements to be true.
This video is interesting, an interview with several ER physicians who contend that stay at home is too strict, and actually makes us less healthy, because being isolated keeps us from being exposed to germs and thus hurts our immune systems and makes us more likely to get sick-
https://m.youtube.com/watch?feature=youtu.be&v=xfLVxx_lBLU
I have an issue with some of their statistics. I don't think most testing so far has been random and therefore you can't use the data to get an estimate of the % of population that has been exposed. Most tested felt ill and that motivated them to get tested. I think to be accurate you'd need to test random samples, like 1 out of 10 of a city or county, then use that to extrapolate the data to the population as a whole.
Some data I've seen that I think in the end will end up being closest to the truth, is that around 1/2 of 1% of those infected die. Worse than the flu for sure, but far less than many of the earlier dire estimates.
Time for the healthy to start getting back out with some precautions, open businesses, try to rebuild the economy, while the elderly and those with underlying health conditions stay cautious and away from unnecessary human contact.
Unless they reliably tested 100% of the population any statistics are inaccurate.
I find it interesting they didn't close the stock markets but everything else has been pretty much shut down. Those in the know have made billions over the last 2 months.
Sheldon, You sound like me now. And our congress nor senate didn't until someone said something! :headbang:
You don't have to test 100% to be accurate. You'd need to test 100% to be perfect. Actuaries study statistics and come up with reasonably accurate estimates of life expectancy for example, otherwise insurance companies would never be able to sell life insurance or annuities. My point is, that if 10,000 people who have flu or cold symptoms get tested for Covid, I don't think you can extrapolate the numbers of positives in that group to estimate the entire population of an area. But that is what the doctors seemed to being saying in that video unless I misunderstood. If you tested 10% of the entire population, the results could be used to derive a fairly accurate number for the entire population. In NY, they test pregnant women about to give birth, as it is important to know if a newborn is infected, and they are finding something like 20% test positive. That number can be used to estimate the % of New York residents who are positive, that there is a good chance it's around 20%.
Splitting hairs aside, I still agree with their point that locking everyone up does more harm than good at this point and those in good health should be allowed to get out and about again, and businesses reopen.
Correction, they found 15% of pregnant women tested positive for Covid 19, not 20%
https://www.medpagetoday.com/infectiousdisease/covid19/85965
Quote from: Brads70 on April 25, 2020, 08:46:13 AM
Here is some of my reply to an email I got about an article about someone suggesting purposely injecting a small amount of the virus into people as a possible cure.....
https://www.msn.com/en-ca/news/canada/crazy-idea-of-infecting-volunteers-with-covid-19-to-boost-herd-immunity-is-gathering-support/ar-BB138OzT?li=AAggNb9
Quote, ( my reply)
" As I understand it,( but I'm no doctor?) When you get any " vaccine " flu shot etc... what they are doing is injecting you with a small amount of the virus . Then the idea is your immune system kicks in and builds the antibody and builds your immunity.
That is not really what a vaccine is. A vaccine is injecting you with a virus that has been damaged or killed. Therefore it can't infect you. But your immune system recognizes the virus as a foreign invader and develops defenses to it. Therefore, if you get exposed to the virus later, your body already is geared up to fight it and stops it in its tracks as you have developed immunity by your previously being exposed to it through the vaccine.
Injecting someone with live virus will make them sick, sort of like "chicken pox parties" where parents expose their kids to a kid who has chicken pox as it's best to get it over with when they are young.
With Covid 19 where a certain percentage of those infected get seriously ill, and some die, this seems like a really really bad idea!
I wonder if all these politicians and news media will still think lockdown is such a good idea if all their salaries and perks are taken away till lockdown is lifted 100% again. Let them feel what everybody else is feeling and let's see how long that lasts.
Quote from: WCC on April 25, 2020, 03:10:37 PM
I wonder if all these politicians and news media will still think lockdown is such a good idea if all their salaries and perks are taken away till lockdown is lifted 100% again. Let them feel what everybody else is feeling and let's see how long that lasts.
Like that will ever happen! ::)
No, they will sit there in their ivory towers and work from home studios collecting their big paychecks deriding and belittling what they dismiss as MAGA hat wearing gun toting confederate flag toting idiots out protesting the lockdowns and their unemployment. Shut up and take it peasants, the elites and government knows best so enjoy your $1200 stimulus check and stay at home indefinitely!
Quote from: WCC on April 25, 2020, 07:45:57 AM
Personally I think that herd immunity is the way to go e
Ya, I'm thinking this way too? Kinda thinking I might as well get it now and over with? Can't hide in our houses for a year or two or three while they try to figure out a cure/vaccine?
We just got the official email. ALL Ontario schools are to remain closed until May31st 2020 :'(
Just waiting to see how many lawsuits are being filed state and county wide for violating:
Amendment I
Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the government for a redress of grievances.
Makes you wonder where is the ACLU in all this?
Quote from: mopartaz on April 26, 2020, 11:55:30 AM
Just waiting to see how many lawsuits are being filed state and county wide for violating:
Amendment I
Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the government for a redress of grievances.
Makes you wonder where is the ACLU in all this?
While I'm not sure what it means in the USA, but up here in the Great White North a declared state of emergency suspends a lot of your previously thought 'rights'. And you are unable to bring legal action. (to the best of my knowledge)
I cringed every time I saw levels of gov't declaring a 'state of emergency'.
Yea...it overrides a lot of things :o
The scary thing now is what is going to happen with Africa.
The rest of the World is starting to show signs of flattening the curve.
While at the same time, Africa is increasing. :stop:
Confirmed
2.97M
Recovered
863K
Deaths
206K
I heard today something about altering the blood and some people are stroking out? :Thud:
I'm surprised that folks are now concerned after 9/11 and the Patriot Act took a huge chunk out of our civil liberties.
How is COVID any different?
Remember governments never waste a good crisis.
What we have learned in the US is that the CDC wields more power than all other branches...
It kinda reminds me of the joke about the body where all of the parts of the body are fighting over which one is most important , & the Ass refuses to let out the trash poisoning the whole system ...
Apparently Canaduh has quietly cut off supplies of Zinc preventing the option of even trying that solution , How many more will die because of the Gates Fauci program ?
Walmart has none & it is blocked from ordering it in , no supplies around Calgary ....
What conspiracy ??
Quote from: Chryco Psycho on April 27, 2020, 10:35:15 AM
Apparently Canaduh has quietly cut off supplies of Zinc
Cut off? How exactly? There's lots where I live.
I've got a bottle of zinc pills and multivitamins that contain zinc here. I hope Bill Gates doesn't fly here in a black helicopter and take them from me! :o
Quote from: BIGSHCLUNK on April 26, 2020, 08:43:23 PM
I heard today something about altering the blood and some people are stroking out? :Thud:
That's one issue they are trying to figure out, many patients develop blood clots that are affecting many parts of the body. This young broadway actor just had his leg amputated because of complications due to this. :(
https://www.newsweek.com/broadway-actor-nick-cordero-underwent-leg-amputation-following-coronavirus-complications-says-his-1498803
What are the comments about Bill Gates about? Some sort of conspiracy theory involving him south of the border? :dunno:
Alex Jones and others are promoting a conspiracy theory, where Bill Gates is going to come up with a vaccine that's real goal is to inject micro transmitters into most of the people on earth to track us and drastically cut the world population.
https://www.businessinsider.com/coronavirus-conspiracy-bill-gates-infowars-2020-4
Not really a theory when you look at facts , this Plandemic was brought to you by Gates & Fauci , follow the $$ gates owns everything Will profit immesely & never stops talking about reducing the world population in every interview , gates wants nano tech micro chips / "digital passports " in 7 billion people [not including him]
He did a test run in Nov , Event 201 or 21 relating to agenda 21 & gave out stuffed virus toys .
I could type out 100s of pages of people involved & supporting this but instead do you own research , the facts are out there follow the $$
I've been a Microsoft stock holder since 1992, so I'm hoping that Bill will spare me when he pares down the human population! :fingerscrossed:
And the lawsuits begin
CENTER FOR AMERICAN LIBERTY SUES GOV. NEWSOM OVER BAN ON PUBLIC PROTESTS
https://libertycenter.org/center-for-american-liberty-sues-gov-newsom-over-ban-on-public-protests/
It was just a matter of time! :alan2cents:
A judge in Illinois today ruled the extended stay at home order is unconstitutional.
The fun begins.
Quote from: kdcarman on April 27, 2020, 03:44:02 PM
A judge in Illinois today ruled the extended stay at home order is unconstitutional.
The fun begins.
I heard that and was celebrating, but maybe prematurely, they were talking about it on the radio a few minutes ago and said the ruling just pertains to the legislator who filed the lawsuit. Other Illinois residents would need to join his suit as a class action in order to also be freed.
But it was fun watching our 500 pound governor ranting and screaming in anger after hearing about the ruling! :rofl:
Quote from: Chryco Psycho on April 27, 2020, 12:11:47 PM
Not really a theory when you look at facts , this Plandemic was brought to you by Gates & Fauci , follow the $$ gates owns everything Will profit immesely & never stops talking about reducing the world population in every interview , gates wants nano tech micro chips / "digital passports " in 7 billion people [not including him]
He did a test run in Nov , Event 201 or 21 relating to agenda 21 & gave out stuffed virus toys .
I could type out 100s of pages of people involved & supporting this but instead do you own research , the facts are out there follow the $$
Lordy, you swallowed this fake conspiracy hook, line and sinker. Do some real research and find out you have been conned. Not gonna do your research for you, I've posted on how deluded the logic is to buy Gates is trying to reduce world population, so I' won't repeat.
Funny how this thread goes from manic conspiracy, to level headed, then back to full aluminium hat BS.
Quote from: JH27N0B on April 27, 2020, 03:57:27 PM
our 500 pound governor ranting and screaming in anger after hearing about the ruling! :rofl:
I'm gonna have to google 500 pound governor.... :rofl:
Well, not sure if he's 500 pounds, but he's a good sized mammal...
Seems like we're going in the right direction, deaths are going down, spread is low now.
https://www.nationalreview.com/2020/05/coronavirus-crisis-sweden-refused-lockdown-other-countries-following/
Sweden appears to be just into the top ten for deaths by population. But, a lot better than some countries that had locked down. Too late maybe?
Shows its possible to get through if you follow distancing but still go to work /school. You won't have as much economic fallout I'm thinking?
The goal for all countries has been to keep the infected rate down enough to not overwhelm hospitals. The main thing to consider with Sweden is not if their death rate was low, but if by staying open and not trashing their economy, if they avoid getting a "second wave" later this year. In a sense "getting it over with" up front and the population developing a "herd immunity".
If in the US and Canada, if we end up with a second wave and as a result as many people die eventually as would have if we hadn't locked down, the damage to our economies will turn out not to be worth it and we will wish we'd done what Sweden did.
The only place in the US that seems overwhelmed is New York. Even though their hospitals were never really overwhelmed, and the hospital ship and temporary hospitals not needed, the morgues, funeral homes and crematoriums have been. https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/new-york-coronavirus-crisis-how-americas-largest-city-is-dealing-with-its-dead/ar-BB13ycKF?li=BBnb7Kz :(
I believe the quarantine needs to end for many reasons q
Quote from: dodj on May 04, 2020, 04:53:14 AM
Sweden appears to be just into the top ten for deaths by population. But, a lot better than some countries that had locked down. Too late maybe?
Shows its possible to get through if you follow distancing but still go to work /school. You won't have as much economic fallout I'm thinking?
We did get high on the death count, it's slowing down a lot now, and all countries around us are opening up, hopefully that goes well.
Our economy will probably not be as bad as the total lockdown countries, some branches are worse than others, travel & hotels, etc.
Other do not suffer as much. Time will tell.
What people fail to realize ( or want to admit) is simple, this virus is not going away. It will spread constantly. My small town of 130,000 shut down just like everywhere else. We did not have all that many cases. Today we have the most cases we have ever had. It got in a food plant, they made cookies and pastries. It got in two prisons. 1/3 of all the firemen in town have got it along with 20 cops. It will keep growing now that we are opening back up. We can't shut down the world and kill this stuff. It will spread. We've had 5 deaths so far. It will kill and it will find the weakest. Some people will react worst than others. It may have been in our country long before we suspect. I think my brother in law and his wife had it in February but recovered. They were tested for flu and was negative. I may have had it in January. I was sick for three weeks. My Son was sick the same way. My wife just had a cough. She went to WA on March 6-10 when the first cases were discovered at the nursing home. Her son in laws firehouse was exposed at the hospital were the first cases from the nursing home came from. My point is this. If you have a healthy immune system, you can fight the diseases. Right now we don't know what factors help you survive this or contribute to your not being able to fight it off. It's just like when the first Europeans came to this North America, some Native Americans were not able to fight off the diseases that Europe had built up immunity to. They were wiped out. Any disease can kill. This is just the latest one. We are all going to die someday. Even Bill Gates. Just like Billy Graham. I guess the difference is how you live and how you prepare for that death. My dad would get the flu easily. He had some bad times with it. I used to catch every cold or flu anyone else around me had. I started eating more healthy foods, cut way down on sugars, taking vitamins, not getting vaccinations and antibiotics every time I got a sniffle and now I don't get sick very often and can fight off infection better. Guess what? I'm still going to die from something. And as far as the conspiracy out there? If you believe our government or the people with lots of money are honest with us. Well that's another topic all together.
My province is way behind everyone else in case and death counts and yet our government still has everyones hands tied behind their backs. Quebec has almost more deaths and cases than the rest of Canada combined and yet they are pretty much open for business.
:bravo: :iagree: My nephew is a germ-aphob and has been practicing quarantine most of his life. I call it hiding and he has no immunity from anything. Oh Ya and is a liberal and watches only CNN. :headbang:
Perspective:
WE ARE NOT IN THE SAME BOAT ...
I heard that we are all in the same boat, but it's not like that. We are in the same storm, but not in the same boat. Your ship could be shipwrecked and mine might not be. Or vice versa.
For some, quarantine is optimal. A moment of reflection, of re-connection, easy in flip flops, with a cocktail or coffee. For others, this is a desperate financial & family crisis. For others it is working 60 hours a week remotely with no break.
For some that live alone they're facing endless loneliness. While for others it is peace, rest & time with their mother, father, sons & daughters.
With the $600 weekly increase in unemployment some are bringing in more money to their households than they were working. Many others are working more hours for less money due to pay cuts or loss in sales.
Some families of 4 just received $3400 from the stimulus while other families of 4 saw $0.
Some were concerned about getting a certain candy for Easter while others were concerned if there would be enough bread, milk and eggs for the weekend.
Some want to go back to work because they don't qualify for unemployment and are running out of money. Others want to kill those who break the quarantine.
Some are home spending 2-3 hours/day helping their child with online schooling while others are spending 2-3 hours/day to educate their children on top of a 10-12 hour workday.
Some have experienced the near death of the virus, some have already lost someone from it and some are not sure if their loved ones are going to make it. Others don't believe this is a big deal. And others are in total denial.
Some have faith in G_d and expect miracles during this 2020. Others say the worst is yet to come.
So, friends, we are not in the same boat. We are going through a time when our perceptions and needs are completely different.
Each of us will emerge, in our own way, from this storm. It is very important to see beyond what is seen at first glance. Not just looking, actually seeing.
We are all on different ships during this storm experiencing a very different journey.
Realize that and be kind.
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Quote from: RUNCHARGER on May 06, 2020, 07:36:09 AM
My province is way behind everyone else in case and death counts and yet our government still has everyones hands tied behind their backs. Quebec has almost more deaths and cases than the rest of Canada combined and yet they are pretty much open for business.
Sheldon, Quebec is still pretty much closed and has been for over 6 weeks now... They have authorized elementary schools (Voluntary basis) and some retail stores to open this week, but away from Montreal, where 90% of cases are. It will be another 2 weeks at least before they are allowed to be open in Montreal, where 65% of the population lives. Some sectors such as construction and manufacturing are slowly getting back in business. They had closed roads to the different regions outside of Montreal, are opening them now, but the authorities there are saying they don't want us to show up in their towns! We'll see how this deconfinement affect rates outside of Montreal.
Over 90% of fatalities were in the Montreal region, and 95% are older folks in care centers, highlighting the accumulated deficiencies in the public system and low wages for . Also, they are counting every death that is even remotely related as Covid, but most were on their last legs anyway.... Once we get over this and everybody tallies their numbers, and compares them to previous fatality rates, we'll have a clearer picture... Our numbers seem high, even though numbers showed a few weeks ago that we were the most observant of quarantine in all 60 states and provinces...
Stay safe,
Ben
I agree all are not on the same boat. For sure the economic consequences is real and will arrive soon. It does not matter if you are working or not now. It will affect all in one way or the others. Then we have to deal with this again after summer. I think tough time ahead friends. Start thinking how to weather through what is to come the best we can.
I'm worried about our future taxes...our Government is giving away money like it's growing on trees...guess who's going to have to pay that back in the coming years...wasn't "income tax" started to "pay for the war" ? Isn't the "war" paid off by now ? :drunk:
Quote from: anlauto on May 06, 2020, 12:44:46 PM
I'm worried about our future taxes...our Government is giving away money like it's growing on trees
:iagree: :iagree: :iagree: :iagree: :iagree:
The trudopes were always big on spending like drunken sailors....Pierre Elliot, and now Justin.
There will be some kind of "Covid" tax somewhere down the line...
My apologies to Naval personnel having a good time...it's an expression...
Yup: Most of this "free money" was totally unecessary, it's like our govt. is trying to go bust.
I wonder why I left Canaduh far behind :thinking:
Should probably take that stimulus check and put it in the bank to pay for the higher taxes the next few years.
Quote from: torredcuda on May 07, 2020, 05:42:44 AM
Should probably take that stimulus check and put it in the bank to pay for the higher taxes the next few years.
:yes: :iagree: :crying:
I might add that, it appears, to eighty percent never knew they they even had the virus. But overall that's perhaps the best thing I've read on the subject.
Quote from: superdave on May 07, 2020, 07:01:06 AM
I might add that, it appears, to eighty percent never knew they they even had the virus. But overall that's perhaps the best thing I've read on the subject.
Sounds like a great PARTY :grouphug: :drunk: :drunk: :happybday: https://www.msn.com/en-ca/news/world/a-new-source-of-coronavirus-spread-covid-19-parties/ar-BB13Jvmj?ocid=spartandhp
"...A county in Washington State dealing with a coronavirus outbreak has identified a confounding new source of spread: "Covid-19 parties" organized so that people can deliberately mingle with an infected person in the hope of getting their own illness out of the way. "
Well. Those are Walla Walla County people so they do the Walla Walla things.
Although not dedicated Covid-19 parties, there are big parties popping up in Chicago west and south side neighborhoods all the time now. The Chicago cops show up and try to break things up, but the girls come out in the street and start dancing around basically thumbing their noses (and shaking their booties) in the faces of the cops, who won't do much because the city got in some sort of settlement with the ACLU where they have to spend an hour doing paperwork if they so much as ask someone for ID, due to allegations they were targeting minorities.
Then we get the all too predictable "woke" handwringing in the media because minorities are catching and dying of Covid 19 at higher rates than others, thus further "proving" what a terrible racist country we are. :headbang:
You can't make this stuff up, crazy.... :drunk:
Quote from: superdave on May 07, 2020, 07:01:06 AM
I might add that, it appears, to eighty percent never knew they they even had the virus. But overall that's perhaps the best thing I've read on the subject.
That's why mass testing is so important. To get the complete picture
Quote from: Chryco Psycho on May 06, 2020, 09:44:14 PM
I wonder why I left Canaduh far behind :thinking:
There's no other country I'd rather call home. :alan2cents:
There's other places I'd rather spend the winter....
Quote from: dodj on May 07, 2020, 11:30:18 AM
Quote from: Chryco Psycho on May 06, 2020, 09:44:14 PM
I wonder why I left Canaduh far behind :thinking:
There's no other country I'd rather call home. :alan2cents:
There's other places I'd rather spend the winter....
Ain't that the truth :canada: :canada: :drinkingbud:
:unitedstates: But NOT New York! :pullinghair:
Quote from: JS29 on May 07, 2020, 12:14:11 PM
:unitedstates: But NOT New York! :pullinghair:
It was on my bucket list to visit. I think I'll wait a while. Like 2 or 3 years anyway.
I've never been to New York City. Now days I think of going to NYC like I think of skydiving. I wish I could say I did it years ago, but at this point in my life, I have no desire to go.
We went to NYC just before the 911 memorial was open, I would like to go back to see that.....Maybe we'll wait for the Covid-19 memorial to be opened :)
Quote from: dodj on May 07, 2020, 11:30:18 AM
Quote from: Chryco Psycho on May 06, 2020, 09:44:14 PM
I wonder why I left Canaduh far behind :thinking:
There's no other country I'd rather call home. :alan2cents:
There's other places I'd rather spend the winter....
Ok really ? Last week they made criminals out of a lot maybe most gun owners with the stroke of a pen , no discussion in Parliament or vote , you may not own a gun or care but what of your rights will they take away next week with no say ? You pay on average over 50% in taxes , fees or service charges so trudoh will not build a military or support old people but he will give it away to any UN cause , very little is returned to the people who pay! A Canaduh stands by while Trudoh commits crimes without punishment & goes on vacation 11 times / year . Why would anyone put up with this ?
Out there behind the trees somewhere there is actually a forest , but I won't argue or return to Caanduh ever .
Let me rephrase that, The state of New York!!!!! There is more to New York than that city. :verymad:
I was born in New York City. I spent a whole summer in 1980 living at the south end of Central Park at 52nd and 2nd. Lived on the 25th floor of a skyscraper. To find parking for my 64 El Camino was a real adventure. People have said not everybody can be on the streets and sidewalks in Manhattan at the same time...it is that over populated. No wonder covid-19 spread so fast. I have stayed several times there. Must admit there is a lot to do. If you have the money NYC has everything. No desire to go back.
An interview with one of our Swedish experts, make sense to me.
"Infection protection expert and WHO advisor Johan Giesecke thinks we should wait for a year to compare the death toll between different countries, he says in an interview with Dagens Nyheter.
He tells the magazine that he was recently in contact with state epidemiologist Mika Salminen in Finland, who has so far managed to keep the covid-19 death toll at a very low level. But it also means that few Finns have had the infection.
- They have a large proportion of the population that will be susceptible to the disease in the fall. And he is really worried about what happens then, when you start to ease the limitations. That's when people die. They will catch up with us, this also applies to Denmark and Norway, says Giesecke.
He is a great defender of the Swedish strategy and tells DN that we are the best in the world. He compares to the island nation of New Zealand, which aims to eliminate the virus. Giesecke wonders what the authorities should do when the virus is no longer in the country.
- This means that everyone traveling to New Zealand must quarantine for 14 days. If there is no good vaccine, we talk about decades before it can be changed, he notes.
According to Johan Giesecke, all people will get the disease covid-19, sooner or later.
- It can't be slowed down and will kill about as many people per capita and country, he tells DN.
Giesecke is convinced that the countries that shut down their communities altogether will instead receive a large number of deaths in the fall, winter and next year. He describes the virus as "a natural disaster"."
I agree with that for the most part. While Sweeden is relatively high in the death department at the moment, it will likely be at the low end later this year where Canada will likely be higher. I'm thinking Sweeden will be near the bottom when numbers are tallied up in a couple years.
Sweden is just getting it over with now, the rest of us are just dragging it out longer. :notsure:
At least with more time to learn and understand, survival rates, for seniors in particular, may get better the longer it is delayed?
Toronto is now cancelling things for September....Our Canadian National Exhibition which has ran for 142 years has now been cancelled for only the second time since it started...the other time was during WWII :dunno:
2 new cases in B.C. today and 1 death. Not much action for our land mass I would say.
China cases are rising again. We are going to SIP until a valid vaccine is available.
In my opinion A vaccine is a long way off
:iagree:
especially seeing as they have never yet identified the virus & because this type of virus has Never had a successful vaccine created
Hydroxychloroquine is a cure and vaccine
Quote from: Chryco Psycho on May 12, 2020, 09:34:26 PM
:iagree:
especially seeing as they have never yet identified the virus & because this type of virus has Never had a successful vaccine created
"How hopeful should we be that there will be a vaccine that works and that we can get our hands on by next year?
Several companies, governments and foundations are betting billions of dollars that it will be possible.
Paul Stoffels, chief scientific officer for Johnson & Johnson, says he's optimistic because of his company's recent experience making vaccines for other viral diseases.
"We have done it with Zika, RSV (respiratory syncytial virus), Ebola," he says. "We know what we do. And if we plug a new virus into that system, we are pretty sure we can get to a vaccine."
That said, vaccine people will tell you that every time you start working on a vaccine for a new virus, you don't know what the hurdles will be. There's a lot of work that needs to be done before we know for sure whether those bets will pay off."
Quote from: Chryco Psycho on May 12, 2020, 09:34:26 PM
because this type of virus has Never had a successful vaccine created
Kinda wondered how they are guessing they could figure out a vaccine for this brand of corona, but not the other 5 or 6? that are out there?
Has there ever been a Coronavirus before that was especially dangerous? I doubt there'd be much motivation to develop a vaccine for the common cold for example. It doesn't kill anybody or cause any long term complications.
That being said I'm not an expert, but impressed that apparently everyone else on the internet has become one! :D
Companies are working on vaccines and I doubt they be doing that if there wasn't any chance can be done. But from what I read it's doubtful one would be available until next winter at the earliest and then there is the challenge of creating billions of doses and getting them out to populations throughout the world.
In the meantime, people are tired of being cooped up, weather is getting nicer, and people will go out regardless of politicians finger wagging at them. I believe the virus will become another risk that people will need to consider when living life. For younger healthy people the risk is low, for older and those with preexisting conditions the risk is higher and they may decide to curtail activities this year and next. But regardless government trying to prolong stay at home indefinitely is not realistic and social unrest will build as they continue to try to push this strategy.
I haven't read anything on it lately however a few months ago I read that once they figured they had a vaccine it would take 1 year of testing before they could release it.
Interesting enough China has devastated the world economy with yet another virus that originates from there. Now their hackers are hard at work as usual trying to steal our research and technology on a treatment and vaccine.
The answer to the question, "Was the lockdown worth it?" is a resounding no.
Ordering the citizenry to cower in their homes, harassing people for walking on an empty beach, and mandating small businesses close up shop regardless of their hygienic procedures has never, in the history of mankind, been demonstrated to be effective in combating any infectious disease. In summary, lockdowns do not work.
It was common knowledge by early March, based on the experience in Italy, South Korea and other nations, that this virus was problematic for the elderly with serious underlying conditions. (In Italy 85% of deaths have been among those over 70 with serious underlying conditions) Rather than focus and expend all available resources on that portion of the population, this nation decided, based on bogus science, to institute a state optioned complete or partial lockdown leaving that segment of society to essentially fend for itself -- with disastrous consequences. All the while decimating the economy, people's livelihoods and marginalizing freedom of speech, religion, and assembly.
This nation has made the biggest blunder in its history.
The time has come for the politicians from the President to the Governors and Mayors to stop hiding behind the scientist/bureaucrats and fully reopen the nation. Focus on that segment of the population most at risk, without compulsory isolation or de facto imprisonment. And restore the civil liberties that have been wantonly eroded.
With all the criticism of the president for his attacks on China and WHO in the main stream media, it was interesting seeing this article in the MSM today-
https://www.newsweek.com/exclusive-cia-believes-china-tried-stop-who-alarm-pandemic-1503565
A large part of the media will do its best to keep the focus on the president instead of the real culprits.
That is why I found it interesting seeing an article in a left leaning media outlet like Newsweek outlining how China and WHO covered up the severity of this pandemic early on, and how China used this delay to horde vast quantities of PPE. I guess even the main stream media can't dismiss China's culpability in this forever!
Though I was irritated last Sunday watching 60 Minutes where they had a piece disproving theories that the virus was engineered by China and escaped from a lab there. They seemed to conflate two theories and used that to discredit both theories. From what I have seen I am convinced that Covid 19 is a virus that started with bats and not engineered as a weapon. However, there are a number of stories and theories that this virus was being studied in a research lab in Wuhan and accidentally escaped. The lab was of the type the CDC has or at universities so it wasn't being studied as a weapon. But nevertheless escaped accidentally and if true could be called their Chernobyl. Some evidence of this includes a researcher there who seemingly disappeared off the face of the earth since last November, and I've heard it reported the bat this virus occurs in is not native to the Wuhan area.
60 Minutes seemed to be saying that since the virus is natural and not engineered, that all theories of it escaping from a lab are discredited and that to me sketchy at best and intentionally deceitful at worst. I would like to see a main stream media source investigate what happened to the missing scientist from the virus research lab in Wuhan and provide proof the bat that Covid 19 originated in is or is not native to the Wuhan region.
Hopefully with all the world looking into this matter the media wont be able to cover up the truth and it will undeniably emerge.
:haha: :rofl: :rofl: Maybe after the first week in November! :Stirring:
Plandemic
I do, the camera man is unmasked! :idea:
Initially they said masks don`t work now they are being mandated in some areas, I was handed one at work last week but am not using it. I think the mask thing is a joke as most people have no clue how to use them properly, I see people pulling them down to talk, grabbing the edges of it to pull it back up after touching a bunch of other things etc. Gloves are even worse as having gloves on and touching numerous things just cross contaminates it all. Most stores now have plasitc guards up at the registers which may help and I do use hand sanitizer now after never using it before all of this but that`s it! I fully understand if you are in the high risk category to protect yourself but I think the rest of us need to just use some common sense and get on with life.
LOL.
:iagree: How come the essential workers aren't all dead. If all the hype were true, They would all be dead!!! :pokeeye:
I hope everyne is doing well.
I'm back to work after 3 weeks off.
32 hours last week and 40 this week.
I work for an industrial Manufacturing company.
We are observing 6ft rule, encouraged to wear a mask when interacting hands on.
Daughter and Son-in-law are first responders and continue to do what they need to.
I'm starting to think I will take my chances with the virus.
Stay well.
Quote from: torredcuda on May 14, 2020, 06:50:23 AM
Initially they said masks don`t work now they are being mandated in some areas, I was handed one at work last week but am not using it. I think the mask thing is a joke as most people have no clue how to use them properly, I see people pulling them down to talk, grabbing the edges of it to pull it back up after touching a bunch of other things etc. Gloves are even worse as having gloves on and touching numerous things just cross contaminates it all. Most stores now have plasitc guards up at the registers which may help and I do use hand sanitizer now after never using it before all of this but that`s it! I fully understand if you are in the high risk category to protect yourself but I think the rest of us need to just use some common sense and get on with life.
The point of the mask for most people is to reduce the spread of your own breath. You could be infected and therefore spreading it without knowing because it take 5-14 days for symptoms to appear. Taking it down to talk is totally counter productive but for the odd person that is infected and doesn't know it, if wearing a mask helps prevent the spread and thereby prevents someone else from getting it then I guess it was worth it. As someone else said, better to be over cautious and live than to abandon caution and be dead. Having said that, I agree that common sense does go a long way.
Quote from: JS29 on May 14, 2020, 07:20:10 AM
:iagree: How come the essential workers aren't all dead.
Because we're careful....
Quote from: dodj on May 14, 2020, 09:32:52 AM
Quote from: JS29 on May 14, 2020, 07:20:10 AM
:iagree: How come the essential workers aren't all dead.
Because we're careful....
:rofl: :rofl: :rofl: Not saying you aren't but that's hardly the whole answer....
Quote from: 1 Wild R/T on May 14, 2020, 10:09:41 AM
Quote from: dodj on May 14, 2020, 09:32:52 AM
Quote from: JS29 on May 14, 2020, 07:20:10 AM
:iagree: How come the essential workers aren't all dead.
Because we're careful....
:rofl: :rofl: :rofl: Not saying you aren't but that's hardly the whole answer....
Of course not...I also wash my hands. :D
Any machinist out there that has had the pleasure of using Highspot Blue understands and has developed the skillsets necessary to prevent unwanted transferring of the virus.
Quote from: YellowThumper on May 14, 2020, 12:47:57 PM
Any machinist out there that has had the pleasure of using Highspot Blue understands and has developed the skillsets necessary to prevent unwanted transferring of the virus.
:haha: or anitsieze
Quote from: Brads70 on May 14, 2020, 01:31:47 PM
Quote from: YellowThumper on May 14, 2020, 12:47:57 PM
Any machinist out there that has had the pleasure of using Highspot Blue understands and has developed the skillsets necessary to prevent unwanted transferring of the virus.
:haha: or anitsieze
One drop covers the earth.... :D
Based on my experience with anti-seize, corona should have killed me by now...
I use never seize a lot, love that stuff. :bigthumb:
Quote from: dodj on May 14, 2020, 02:24:04 PM
Based on my experience with anti-seize, corona should have killed me by now...
Haha. I used some of that this last weekend and unfortunately have to admit containment failure. :notsure:
I'm having a tough time figuring out why all the essential workers aren't dead from this yet? :Stirring: :thinking:
:ohyeah: That is my point :iagree:
Quote from: Brads70 on May 15, 2020, 02:40:16 PM
I'm having a tough time figuring out why all the essential workers aren't dead from this yet? :Stirring: :thinking:
Me and the essential workers I work with are abiding by precautions and are fortunately in a low exposure area thanks to isolation.
A lot of essential workers at meat packing plants (I worked for 11 years in the industry) are not so fortunate and there are deaths. No way they can keep 6 feet apart. Their families are the next wave of spread and death.
Pretty sad that the White House is now 100% masks except the P and VP. What a leader.
Quote from: Brads70 on May 15, 2020, 02:40:16 PM
I'm having a tough time figuring out why all the essential workers aren't dead from this yet? :Stirring: :thinking:
Well, in my case, I think it is mostly due to location. There is virtually no corona here. I think there was one person in hospital a couple weeks ago.
A few positive cases, like a total of 70 during the whole lockdown period. Almost all brought in for testing from surrounding areas, then back home for isolation if they tested positive. I believe there are lots of places in this big country of ours that have been pretty much untouched by corona, but smacked pretty hard by the quarantine.
Lowes, Walmart Home Depot etc. open and now Nascar back racing with large race teams but small businesses still can`t open? The big guys with big influence gain while the little guys get screwed?
I think it has to do with size...you can put 100 people into a Home Depot and still have safe social distancing, but you can't put 10 people in a little Ma & Pa store on Main Street ....
NASCAR is back but with no spectators...
:deadhorse: Why isn't everyone in Georgia dead? Must have something to do with the 99% survival rate.(Unless you have a pre-existing condition.) Every day the local news reported the # of flu deaths, Now no one has died of the flu since early March.
Quote from: anlauto on May 17, 2020, 05:58:08 AM
I think it has to do with size...you can put 100 people into a Home Depot and still have safe social distancing, but you can't put 10 people in a little Ma & Pa store on Main Street ....
NASCAR is back but with no spectators...
Big store parking lots are FULL every weekend, lines to get in, also at smaller Ace hardware stores as we stopped at one last weekend and it was also packed, small convenient stores are also open. Why can`t small stores have smaller limits for people and still operate safely?
Our small "street level" stores are able to open starting Tuesday for curb side pick-up with limited entry. :dunno:
Communism!!! :wave:
Canada :canada: :unitedstates: USA border will remain closed until June 21st :P
I saw that. Grrrrrrrrr!! My fear is that Trump will keep it closed much longer than necessary to keep out immigrants. That's always been his agenda and now he has an excuse to use. A bunch of us innocents get caught in the crossfire.
I was so desperate for a hair cut, I let my wife cut my hair.
I figured she is the only one who really cares about how I look.
No prior professional experience, but did cut my sons hair when he was young.
Her comment, "Cutting my hair was not as easy as my son's, he didn't have a recessing hair line."
I'm going back, due to a no questions asked guarantee, too get it shortened.
Quote from: blown motor on May 19, 2020, 12:35:32 PM
I saw that. Grrrrrrrrr!! My fear is that Trump will keep it closed much longer than necessary to keep out immigrants. That's always been his agenda and now he has an excuse to use. A bunch of us innocents get caught in the crossfire.
I think the people you should be thanking are Palozie and Shummer! :yes:
Just announced schools are done for this year as well in Ontario...not sure how it will start up in September either...
I say keep the borders closed, USA has the most cases of Covid-19 in the World right now and has had the most deaths :o
Quote from: blown motor on May 19, 2020, 12:35:32 PM
I saw that. Grrrrrrrrr!! My fear is that Trump will keep it closed much longer than necessary to keep out immigrants. That's always been his agenda and now he has an excuse to use. A bunch of us innocents get caught in the crossfire.
If I remember correctly, it is Trudope that wants the border closed for now. Trump was calling for getting it open again. :alan2cents:
Quote from: dodj on May 19, 2020, 01:27:33 PM
Quote from: blown motor on May 19, 2020, 12:35:32 PM
I saw that. Grrrrrrrrr!! My fear is that Trump will keep it closed much longer than necessary to keep out immigrants. That's always been his agenda and now he has an excuse to use. A bunch of us innocents get caught in the crossfire.
If I remember correctly, it is Trudope that wants the border closed for now. Trump was calling for getting it open again. :alan2cents:
I thought that was the case as well.
Trudeau and some of the premiers want it closed right now, true enough. While Trump wants to restart the economy he is all in favour of a closed border, at least from what I'm reading. My comment was not referencing this extension but rather what I fear moving forward.
:thinking: Check your sources,Don't think the Northern border is a lot of concern to our President.
Probably not. But how do you use the Covid situation to close one border and not the other.
:dunno: If your legal come on over, don't want to see any American have to compete with an illegal alien for a job.
Quote from: Skid Row on May 19, 2020, 04:45:07 PM
:dunno: If your legal come on over, don't want to see any American have to compete with an illegal alien for a job.
You mean those meatpacking jobs that no American will do?
You meanThe jobs Americans DON'T have to do. You know public assistance, food stamps etc etc etc! :headbang:
:pokeeye:Have you ever had to start over?
Yes! :yes:
Quote from: JS29 on May 20, 2020, 06:47:36 AM
You meanThe jobs Americans DON'T have to do. You know public assistance, food stamps etc etc etc! :headbang:
Cut off all the "entitlement" crap & you might find more folks willing to pick fruit & butcher animals... When I was first out of High School I picked peaches for about two weeks, hard work & you itch constantly, but it was money.... Went I was picking peaches it was mostly a job done by Mexicans but there were a few of us white kids...
Just this week our Government announced that everybody should wear a mask when social distancing is challenging.
So I went to the grocery store today, as I do every Saturday, but this time with a mask in my pocket just in case....
Although this particular store is doing a pretty good job limiting numbers and making room for people etc...I was surprised to see ZERO of the store employees wearing masks, and it was maybe 40/60 for customers wearing them with the majority choosing not to, mine stayed in my pocket...
Not sure if masks help....but not a lot of people are too worried about it... :dunno:
They require everyone to wear a mask here and for the most part it's working out well. There have been a few incidents with people refusing and fights ensuing. Tragically there was even a murder recently in Michigan, where a woman refused to wear a mask in a store, guard threw her out, and her husband and kid then came in the store to go after the guard for "dissing" his old lady and murdered the guard. Proving once again that idiots and animals walk among us.
Some people are making a big stink about it and claiming it's a violation of their rights, but I don't see what the big deal is. I don't think some understand why they have to, the masks don't protect you from viruses for the most part after all. The point of wearing a mask is, if you are an asymptomatic carrier, wearing a mask will cut down your spreading the virus a lot.
So stop being so petulant and put on a damn mask when you are out in public!
I just got back from Home Depot, 100% masks, guaranteed by security guard at the entrance. No protesters, just people being safe.
It was obviously busy with the parking lot full, yet there was still plenty of area to keep your distance inside.
Our new world order is going to be fascinating. I stopped at the local hardware yesterday. I was waiting in line and of course there are markings on the floor to maintain social distancing.
A woman in line walked up right behind the person in front of her. The first lady asked the person to move back away. The woman who moved up took offense and starting yelling at her to stop being rude and get over it.
Her last line cracked me up:
"I have a bachelors degree, what do you have?"
Surprised the lady didn't turn around and cough on her and say "yea....well I have Covid-19....now you do to... :drunk:
Quote from: anlauto on May 23, 2020, 02:42:54 PM
Surprised the lady didn't turn around and cough on her and say "yea....well I have Covid-19....now you do to... :drunk:
That could get you arrested and national media attention. Or at least a facebook video.
Quote from: worthywads on May 23, 2020, 04:27:39 PM
Quote from: anlauto on May 23, 2020, 02:42:54 PM
Surprised the lady didn't turn around and cough on her and say "yea....well I have Covid-19....now you do to... :drunk:
That could get you arrested and national media attention. Or at least a facebook video.
A viral video :veryexcited: :veryexcited:
If a store requires customers to wear masks I have the option to wear one and enter the store or not go in - pretty simple. NO need to make a huge deal about it violating my rights.
Quote from: torredcuda on May 25, 2020, 07:19:06 AM
If a store requires customers to wear masks I have the option to wear one and enter the store or not go in - pretty simple. NO need to make a huge deal about it violating my rights.
No Shirt....No Shoes....No mask....NO service.... :idea:
Some businesses have decided to add a Corona Virus charge. I choose not to use them,
Yea I saw that too....wait until the Government adds that tax to your paycheck :o
Quote from: torredcuda on May 25, 2020, 07:19:06 AM
If a store requires customers to wear masks I have the option to wear one and enter the store or not go in - pretty simple. NO need to make a huge deal about it violating my rights.
This is exactly correct and as simple as it gets.
We retain ALL our rights to choose who and where we patronize.
I always wear a mask when I go in a store. But, I do it so I don't catch it and bring it home to my wife. To me, it all about protecting her.
What type of mask, from what I`ve read the cloth or homemade ones only keep stuff from going out but not coming into you, only an N95 type will protect both ways?
Quote from: torredcuda on May 25, 2020, 03:54:00 PM
What type of mask, from what I`ve read the cloth or homemade ones only keep stuff from going out but not coming into you, only an N95 type will protect both ways?
Actually, I've started wearing a regular cloth bandana now until I pick up a new mask. The N95 mask I have got a little dirty over time. Got the mask from a nurse friend of ours.
Simply, humorously and medically correct 😂
Just got the e-mail we were dreading but fully expected - the town summer camp program officially cancelled. It`s too bad as Ryan really had fun there last year, arts and crafts, sports, games, bouncy house water slide. Now we have to figure out what to do with him all summer? I am home with him during the day and wife gets the night shift while I`m at work. Going to be a long summer... :'(
This Is Crazy: WHO Now Says Only Wear a Mask If You are Sick or Working with Sick — Otherwise You Don't Need One
https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2020/05/crazy-now-says-wear-mask-sick-working-sick-otherwise-dont-need-one/
Quote from: mopartaz on May 29, 2020, 05:02:59 PM
This Is Crazy: WHO Now Says Only Wear a Mask If You are Sick or Working with Sick — Otherwise You Don't Need One
https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2020/05/crazy-now-says-wear-mask-sick-working-sick-otherwise-dont-need-one/
Context matters, this is spin.
Early March Fauci is talking about N-95 masks needed for uninfected health care workers, which were suddenly in very short supply, and outbreak was barely started. For people working around known infected people it is very critical to use n-95 with utmost care, and single use if possible.
April 5th, Fauci is now talking about the potential for many infected but not aware using basic masks, cloth home made masks or even scarfs to reduce the spread of virus through coughing. Totally different topic, and mask.
In early April the CDC also recommends cloth facial coverings and social distancing. The type of masking Fauci was talking about on April 5th.
Then Gateway Pundits Lies and say earlier this week Fauci says "symbolic", and links back to early March 60 minutes video and N-95 topic.
The WHO video (that link doesn't work) is again talking specifically about N-95 mask, and from when there was a shortage of N-95 masks. The only WHO recommendations have to do with whether a mask protects YOU from someone with COVID and is only about health care workers. This is not something WHO just now said, Hoft lies.
Most agree now that because so many may be carriers that felt no symptoms that any basic masking is good for all, since it significantly reduces unknowing contagious from spreading.
https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/prevent-getting-sick/cloth-face-cover.html
The Gateway Pundit that published this link is well known for twisting the facts, and clearly lied about what Fauci didn't say just last week.
https://www.mediamatters.org/gateway-pundit/20-plus-times-jim-hoft-and-gateway-pundit-were-absurdly-wrong
He mentions healthcare providers needing them but doesn`t make any distinction between cloth and N95 masks, just says you don`t need one and have uintended consequences.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FCBRQWmwK5Q
Better link here, refers to seeing people in other countries wearing masks, most of which wear the cloth type, not N95. At the very least it was not clear, accurate information to not wear a mask as it doesn`t do much good but now we should.
https://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2020/05/12/flashback_march_2020_fauci_says_theres_no_reason_to_be_walking_around_with_a_mask.html
Quote from: torredcuda on May 30, 2020, 06:35:15 AM
Better link here, refers to seeing people in other countries wearing masks, most of which wear the cloth type, not N95. At the very least it was not clear, accurate information to not wear a mask as it doesn`t do much good but now we should.
https://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2020/05/12/flashback_march_2020_fauci_says_theres_no_reason_to_be_walking_around_with_a_mask.html
And again, this was in early March, and he did say "Right Now", which implies that could change.
He also said this, clearly the discussion is N-95
LaPook: But it can lead to a shortage of masks?
Fauci: Exactly, that's the point. It could lead to a shortage of masks for the people who really need it.
He is talking about N-95 and health care workers.
Then something changed, early March US new COVID cases were around 100 a day, a month later early April close to 35,000 new cases every day. See starkly contrasting map between March and April.
Nothing burger that some are trying to spin as proof of something?